Right on cue the exact type of person I was referring to. You never fail to show yourself up.

I don't think you really believe this statement yourself, vasty. The posts against CC seem to outweigh the "for" posts considerably.
An additional X on Thursdays ballot sheet would illustrate this point, I'm sure.

Vasty, I am rooting for Chester to turn it around, I really am, I don`t think it will happen but it might.

That said, even if he does, I still think that it`s time for a change for the club regardless of how this season goes, we have been talking about a long term strategy/direction for the last 5 years and we have actually gone backwards.

On the basis of pre and aftermatch interviews, to me, even CC doesn't seem to have the confidence or belief that he can turn it around.

I've just been listening to the DABV pod cast with Jason Demetriou and the 2006 season. For those last 6 games, they was an absolute refusal that all the squad bought into that relegation was not an option, that it wasn't going to happen on their watch, and it bloody well showed. The squad was the same squad that had been performing well under par all season and a change was the catalyst to resolve that mindset and drive the players on.

I can't shake the feeling that there is an air of inevitability at the club that we are heading in one direction, and it's not upwards. Even if we survive this year, we're staring down the same barrel next season

He has been unlucky with injuries i agree although if the season continues with injuries can 3 years of injuries all be down to luck...but other things isnt all bad luck like recruitment and retentions these have been poor really poor example bishop( yes he was offered deal but not as good contract)leaviing but resigning of kershaw and the signing of kaye..then signings such as a walker n gigot or letting naverette and koppy go but keeping green and tangata there is others but sure you get my point..then add to this getting an extra coach in last to help him using player budget money to finance that .this isnt bad luck.

Lets hope he can finally make a decent signing(like kelepi) with the AF money and pull us out of this poop as in an ideal world this is what we want.

We both want the same outcome but I believe we cannot achieve it with Chester in charge but judging by your post above you do. This does not make my opinion and less valid than yours despite what you believe nor does it make me any less a supporter. I admit I am not on email terms with MC, maybe you could use your lofty position to ask the club what they are intending to do to ensure we are at least given a chance to avoid relegation.

[iPoint of order[/i the injuries were only really 2019. 2020 was covid withdrawals. This year is only just beginning and not yet comparable to 2019. So, only one year, so far, of injury bad luck.

I agree some of the recruitment was baffling. Ryan Atkins? I guess when you're shopping at poundworld you have to take a chance that the North Korean phone charger is not going to explode in your face. When you're taking a punt there is a level of luck that they work out well.

The problem and solution are the same MONEY. We don't have any and in reality shouldn't be in the top division of a professional sport, but we keep on hanging in there hoping for a miracle.

This is not 1986 or even 2015, the team is better than that, we've been fairly competitive - it could all work out... keep the faith - for now. Confidence and mental toughness seem to be lacking, a single win could make all the difference.

The Dean Whare first half try summed it up for me. We try an offload in their half and pass it to a Catalans player. On the next tackle we are offside. They boot it into our half, we fail to get set, Langi taps while we have our backs turned and makes an easy 13-14 yards. They just ship it out wide for a fairly easy walk in.

Just a cluster of errors.

For comparison, I just thought I'd see what the graph of a really successful club looks like. So here's Wigan & Wakefield on the same graph.



Their mean position is 4.6, median of 3.0 and the mode is of course 1st (26 times in 126 seasons - more than 1 in 5)

We've only finished above them on 12 occasions in 117 seasons (not counting when they were split into county leagues)
2 of those were during the war time emergency leagues of 1944 and 1945, 2 were the season Wigan were relegated and the season they were in the 2nd division and another 2 were recently in SL (2009 & 2017)
We really are a middling club that sometimes punches above its weight. Staying in SL is an achievement, winning a trophy is spectacular.

For me there's a losing mind set in the team...they've become so accustomed to it there's no belief they can win and they've forgotten how to...you only have to see the last quarters of the Hull and Catalans games to see that...there was an air of inevitability in the Hull game that when we had got back to 14-14 and they then got the ball in our 20 they were going to score their winning try and it was the same when Kaye's try was chalked off vs Catalans...that mind set and air of inevitability crept in and it was 'here we go again', 'how unlucky are we'.

This mind set is throughout the players and seeps into any new signings we make so that they become as disputed and low on confidence...hence al the comments of 'we'll coach it out of them' etc.

We need to stop feeling sorry for ourselves and show the pride that this topic is asking us all to comment on

Where’s the chairman?!

There isn't one, it's a conch.