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| I just find it all so disappointing.
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| Saints official twitter account has tweeted they are considering appealing Wilkins ban.
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| I could not condone a red card unless it was given with mal intent... Even then I wouldn't.
Did you mean "what constitutes a red card?"
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| Quote: Old Blighty "
Did you mean "what constitutes a red card?"'"
I'm surprised it took 6 pages for someone to spot that!
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| I think it is clearly time for a review of the current on-report system. Without having been at the game or seen the video yet, my comment about this is about the gathering evidence that the report system is now resulting, deliberate or otherwise, in ref's taking the easy way out.
The report system was introduced to allow ref's to report incidents which they were unsighted on, but maybe were seen by the touch judge or just based on some suspicion that something untoward had taken place. Now, if after a game the video review panel and then the disciplinary panel end up banning 2 players for one game or more, then you have to question either the competence of the ref or the system allowing the ref to opt out of making a decision on the field. It would seem to me that Mr Roby may be guilty of both!
The acid test for me is that we should be getting more red or yellow cards than players that end up been found guilty subsequently by the displinary panel. If not then why not, because either too many incidents are being missed by poor ref'ing OR the report system is being used to opt out of making the decision there and then, which is not ideal because indeed it fails to deal with the problem there and then hand a potential advantage to the team whom have been offended against.
I would also like to see the yellow card been allowed to be used for foul play too and not just professional or technical offences. I would rather see a ref make a call and say, I am not sure if that deserves a red card (currently the only step-up from a penalty for foul play) but a penalty is not really adequate, so 10 mins in the bin and then also put the incident on report to see if a suspension is also required, would be preferable to me to opting out of any action at all.
The report system appears to be no longer either fit for purpose OR is being incorrectly used by ref's.
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| Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "I think it is clearly time for a review of the current on-report system. Without having been at the game or seen the video yet, my comment about this is about the gathering evidence that the report system is now resulting, deliberate or otherwise, in ref's taking the easy way out.
The report system was introduced to allow ref's to report incidents which they were unsighted on, but maybe were seen by the touch judge or just based on some suspicion that something untoward had taken place. Now, if after a game the video review panel and then the disciplinary panel end up banning 2 players for one game or more, then you have to question either the competence of the ref or the system allowing the ref to opt out of making a decision on the field. It would seem to me that Mr Roby may be guilty of both!
The acid test for me is that we should be getting more red or yellow cards than players that end up been found guilty subsequently by the displinary panel. If not then why not, because either too many incidents are being missed by poor ref'ing OR the report system is being used to opt out of making the decision there and then, which is not ideal because indeed it fails to deal with the problem there and then hand a potential advantage to the team whom have been offended against.
I would also like to see the yellow card been allowed to be used for foul play too and not just professional or technical offences. I would rather see a ref make a call and say, I am not sure if that deserves a red card (currently the only step-up from a penalty for foul play) but a penalty is not really adequate, so 10 mins in the bin and then also put the incident on report to see if a suspension is also required, would be preferable to me to opting out of any action at all.
The report system appears to be no longer either fit for purpose OR is being incorrectly used by ref's.]'"
that last bit makes perfect sense.
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "I'm surprised it took 6 pages for someone to spot that!
we semi-aussies are very particular with our syntax.
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| In answer to the title question.........
The disciplinary has answered it. Both Wilkin and Amor incidents deserved a red as they received a ban.
It's just the ref didn't do anything about it.
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| Disciplinary guidelines15.1(b) When tackling or attempting to tackle makes contact with the head or neck of an opponent
Careless :
A-B Careless – flat hand off balance
A-B Careless - Ball carrier dips
A-B Careless - Stepped and reaching
A-B Careless – initial contact with ball or chest
A-B Careless – second tackler in – wrapping tackle up
Reckless
B-C Reckless – tackler in control
B-C Reckless – tried to tackle but reckless about outcome
Intentional
D-F Intentional – clenched fist – intent to make contact with head
D-F Intentional – stiff arm tackle – no attempt to tackle legitimately – violent
So Amor got done under - Reckless - tackler in Control and given a Grade B
How anybody can watch that video evidence and not see it as Intentional is beyond me
Roby had a clear view of it in the first place and should have dealt with it but to me looking at those guidelines and the video evidence I would say the panel need to visit the same bloody optician.
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| Watching Amor on Vine in slow motion without doubt shows he was punching him with venom and ref looking directly at it. Lomax - ref was actually running in the opposite direction with back to incident. I am sure a ref is supposed to have his eye on the ball ???????
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| Would that be his good eye or his glass eye because for Roby to miss that haymaker it must be his glass eye.
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| Quote: Slugger McBatt "Wasn't too annoyed with the Ali penalty. His arm did connect with Lomax's head, albeit accidentally, but my understanding is that the ref's are told to penalise in that situation, as the obligation is on the tackler to avoid the head regardless of how it comes about. Amor, however, might have a couple of weekends off.'"
And anyone who's played the game knows that's a ridiculous way to police that kind of incident, if a player falls or ducks into a challenge that would otherwise have been perfectly legal and in no way an attempt at being high then you're penalising a totally innocent defender and in some cases putting them on report.
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| While I am pleased that Jon Wilkin got a 2 match ban, although he probably deserved more, I do find it ridiculous that it is other Super League teams which will benefit from his suspension and not Wakefield. At the end of the day the on report call was an easy cop out for Roby when Wilkin clearly should have been red carded. Wakefield would then have played 75 minutes against 12 men and the result could have been a lot different! Referees need to have the guts to make big calls against the big teams!
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| Quote: 4foxsake "While I am pleased that Jon Wilkin got a 2 match ban, although he probably deserved more, I do find it ridiculous that it is other Super League teams which will benefit from his suspension and not Wakefield. At the end of the day the on report call was an easy cop out for Roby when Wilkin clearly should have been red carded. Wakefield would then have played 75 minutes against 12 men and the result could have been a lot different! Referees need to have the guts to make big calls against the big teams!'"
Wilkin was not put on report and we didn't even get a penalty. He was cited following the match review panel seeing it on video
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