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"As you will see, I was clear on day one and have always laid out my position."
The length of your post and the fact it takes quite a bit of time to get to a point, proves that you do in fact not make yourself clear

I've cut out a bit of the blah to comment on what you say....

Quote: As you will see, I was clear on day one and have always laid out my position. "How would I respond?

Do you recollect my first post on the subject (this thread) way back on September 11th. Page 4.
I made it clear, very clear. I also warned of the consequences of giving in to the powers that be and their crazy solution to what is, for all intents and purpose, a form of influenza, certainly the cosequences of catching "it" seem just the same as influenza.
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As you will see, I was clear on day one and have always laid out my position. Nope. Not clear. You warned us, but didn't say what the right way was, just asked us to prove that the govs way was the right way.

Replace the government? Yes of course, this one is wholly corrupt.
Who with? I think a party may emerge in the coming year but it won't be any of the big three who have the answers. Maybe a breakaway from those, I don't know. I currently don't know of any MP's
who are courageous enough to break ranks as the Telegraphs Ms Fenwick-Elliot has done in media land and a multitude of Doctors and scientists have also done.
The cracks in the narrative are definatley begining to show thank goodness. - So you don't like our democratically elected government, accuse them of being corrupt, but don't actually like any other option either, but are banking on a new party, that doesn't yet exist, suddenly coming to power.

No lockdowns, no face coverings, no (anti) social distancing.
Those over 80s with underlying health issues who feel threatened should do whatever feels right for them. Not have restrictions imposed upon the whole population. - Ok, that is clear

Is covid real or not?
Possibly real. But lets face it, every year a form of flue appears and they give it a different name, Japanese flu epidemic in York 2018 for example (Who knew ?) . But there are experts who say the c-19 virus has not been successfully isolated. Ah yes, your experts. Not your opinion. The other unkonwn people's opinion.

Is a world organisation trying to change our way of life?
Yes.- Ok, that is clear. That's probably where people think you watch too much scary tv but you may be right.

Are all the governments of the world agreeing to the big con?
The vast majority yes. - That's clear but so unlikely I can't understand why you would think this. We can't even agree with the rest of Europe to sell and buy stuff for our mutual benefit but we agree to a plan to con the people that vote us in, both left and right parties? Trump doesn't agree with anyone on anything

I do not believe governments all over the world, including tyrants and dictators, would go to such lengths just to protect the aged. Not in a million years and certainly not the Americans, just look at their track record on health not to forget the millions killed in the many wars started by the USA. Even in this country, how many children have died of say cancer, for the want of a few thousand pounds to get expensive treatment abroad.

Is Bill Gates doing something illegal or immoral?
Almost certainly. hence the 600,000 signed petition to have him investigated by the White House. A petition to investigate is not 'almost certainty of doing something illegal'. I can't say for certain either way of course. After Jimmy Saville, Lance Armstrong etc, I've learned not to just defend people just because they look good on tv interviews. There are bad people in the world there is no doubt. However, wanting to reduce population growth is not a crime unless you stop people doing it illegally. Education and advice is used for exactly the same end. In Africa population growth is as big a killer as any disease because there are not enough resources. It is something often discussed in many countries. The solution isn't to just kill everyone with a virus. That is the stuff of Dan Brown fiction. Inferno is a really good book.

Here is that first post, including the solution.
The post concerned itself with rugby league but not exlusivley only because of the thread title.

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My question is, what of the future of Trinity and Belle Vue. How many deaths are the club willing to accept in future years from complications or directly from, lets say, influenza. A condition that leads to the death of thousands every year, vaccine or no vaccine. The club has nothing to do with accepting deaths because people come to Belle Vue. The decision is a government advice and NRL decision. And you don't catch influenzas by standing in the cold.

Pop Tart on these boards told us a few months ago that he was, to paraphrase, willing to give up a foreign holiday if If it saved just one life. I put it to him that watching and playing rugby has no doubt resulted in many deaths (see above) over the years. He did not respond to that.
I see he still supports the game being played. Me going to the game over the past 40 years didn't cause anyone to die. I'm pretty certain of that. Right now, I'm probably ok to go to Belle Vue too. Especially as if I did I'd be wearing a mask and staying clear of people outside my bubble. The problem is, you go as well and you won't be doing that, and although many will be like me, many will also be like you. So the potential for the virus to spread is greater.
The point that seems reasonably easy to understand is that we don't know who might have this virus at Belle Vue, so until we have some control, it is better for no one to go so that it stops the spread. Especially if the game can go on anyway. The only reason it is still necessary is because people didn't lockdown in the first place and spread it further than just because they didn't believe it, like you.

So, what of the future given most on here appear to support the draconian measure currently being taken. - by draconian do you mean wear a mask in public places?

If I supported these measures, which I do not, but if I did I would have to say that we should never, ever, re-open our stadiums for fear of catching the aforementioned conditions or risking a players death through, lets say, heart failier or that player becoming paralized from a bad tackle etc. - not the same. I assume THAT PLAYER you refer to is Mose Masoe. There are many safe guards in place to stop this happening but sometimes an accident happens and it is terrible. That's not the same as not applying any safeguards because you either don't believe it will happen or only believe it will affect old people.

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But back to the question re Belle Vue. If, let us say, we needed 5,000 attending to break even and we can now sumize that will never be allowed nor should it so long as inflenza, let alone Covid-19 is lurking in the air.What of the future of Wakefield Trinity? And rugby league. - again not true. RFL are trying to get to a point where we can get crowds back. They have to show they can safe giuard first.........which they can't if people don't follow the safe guarding rules.

So far (Oct 26) not one "fan" has bothered to answer or even discuss this,- because its hard work and unnecessarily so. '"

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