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| Quote little wayne69="little wayne69"Ah hindsight, a wonderful talent to have at your disposal.'"
There is absolutely no doubt that the UK was slow off the mark and if you are in charge of running the country, this IS your call.
Not hindsight, it's absolute fact.
It was a judgement call at the time and the judgement was wrong.
We could of course, blame someone else. Boris is VERY good at that.
The really interesting part of all this will be how the huge costs of this situation are paid for.
Austerity / borrowing / tax increases ?
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"There is absolutely no doubt that the UK was slow off the mark and if you are in charge of running the country, this IS your call.
Not hindsight, it's absolute fact.
It was a judgement call at the time and the judgement was wrong.
We could of course, blame someone else. Boris is VERY good at that.
The really interesting part of all this will be how the huge costs of this situation are paid for.
[uAusterity / borrowing / tax increases ?[/u'"
However they do it, it’ll certainly hurt the general public more than it will them.
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| So broadly speaking the two schools of thought on here are:
A. I think they are doing the best they can. There's no evidence the other side would have done better; and B. They are an indefensible car-crash that you should have all seen coming.
Non Conservative votes are still dumbfounded that the working classes elected a party that (they believe) historically hates them. They are further astonished that everything that has happened since the election has failed to make the working classes regret it.
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| Quote Pumpetypump="Pumpetypump"So broadly speaking the two schools of thought on here are:
A. I think they are doing the best they can. There's no evidence the other side would have done better; and B. They are an indefensible car-crash that you should have all seen coming.
Non Conservative votes are still dumbfounded that the working classes elected a party that (they believe) historically hates them. They are further astonished that everything that has happened since the election has failed to make the working classes regret it.'"
I'm not sure that you are right there.
I'd go for those who believe that he (Boris) can do no wrong and those (me included) who believe the bloke to have little beyond self interest and he will ALWAYS return to his core Tory beliefs.
I dont blame him for that, they are embedded in his DNA.
As for could have done better. Damn right, although in the final analysis, we have to be grateful that we dont have Trump in charge.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"I'm not sure that you are right there.
I'd go for those who believe that he (Boris) can do no wrong and those (me included) who believe the bloke to have little beyond self interest and he will ALWAYS return to his core Tory beliefs.
I dont blame him for that, they are embedded in his DNA.
As for could have done better. Damn right, although in the final analysis, we have to be grateful that we dont have Trump in charge.'"
I agree that no one should be surprised by anything he has or will do. The evidence has been in the public gaze for years. It's like electing a Tiger and being annoyed when he bites someone's arm. What I can't quite come to terms with is that the volume of evidence available to us all on his character is somehow cancelled out by his jolly persona to your evarage man and woman on the street. Equally I don't understand why your average person preferred him so overwhelmingly to Corbyn. I'm a lifelong Lib Dem so have more neutrality than some (although I'm not pretending to be bang down the middle). I don't like Corbyn very much but for me it was a choice between a heart-attack (Johnson) or a kick in the nuts (Corbyn). I don't have to want either of them, but it would be better to have a boot in the knackers.
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| Free parking for NHS staff at hospitals to be scrapped now. What a great reward for their efforts.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"There is absolutely no doubt that the UK was slow off the mark and if you are in charge of running the country, this IS your call.
Not hindsight, it's absolute fact.
It was a judgement call at the time and the judgement was wrong.
We could of course, blame someone else. Boris is VERY good at that.
[uThe really interesting part of all this will be how the huge costs of this situation are paid for.
Austerity / borrowing / tax increases ?[/u'"
I would have thought that with your insight and knowledge you would actually know, after all you along with three or four more on here you have identified the mistakes and I'm sure it's only a matter of time before you sort out this mess.
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| Quote little wayne69="little wayne69"I would have thought that with your insight and knowledge you would actually know, after all you along with three or four more on here you have identified the mistakes and I'm sure it's only a matter of time before you sort out this mess.'"
Sadly too late for over 50,000 people who with hindsight would have preferred Johnson not to be the PM
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| Quote little wayne69="little wayne69"I would have thought that with your insight and knowledge you would actually know, after all you along with three or four more on here you have identified the mistakes and I'm sure it's only a matter of time before you sort out this mess.'"
I'm flattered that you think that I'm up to it
Unlike our current PM, I know that I'm not and I dont make a living from perpetually telling lies and bending the truth to breaking point.
How do you think Brexit will play out ?
Last minute deal or "no deal" ?, certainly not anything close to Boris's "oven ready deal"
Is this more political paranoia on my part or more "bull" from Boris 
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| Quote Pumpetypump="Pumpetypump"A. I think they are doing the best they can. There's no evidence the other side would have done better; and B. They are an indefensible car-crash that you should have all seen coming.'"
I'd add a C. to that. The paradoxical believers. Those that go to great lengths to defend the government by saying, "it's a new virus and we don't know enough about it to deal with it properly", but also cheerlead the government when they talk about 'world beating systems' to deal with the virus. Do they not know enough about it, or do they know so much about it they can lead the world in combatting it? Which one is it?
I think this hindsight thing is also a load of old tosh. You should always prepare for the worst case scenario. By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail, and all that. Plenty of health experts were offering advice in the early days, but tribal politics dismissed them as ranting lefties, or loony Corbynites. Check out Prof. John Ashton's Question Time appearance, March 12. It's prescient. Then look at the stick he got on social media and in the press following it. He's like the health expert in a disaster movie who nobody is listening to, until it's far too late.
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| Quote Willzay="Willzay"Free parking for NHS staff at hospitals to be scrapped now. What a great reward for their efforts.'"
Dear Oh Dear, you have to be one of the most vindictive posters on this forum. Keir Starmer jumped onto this bandwagon at PMQs today. The prime minister’s reply was “parking is still free now for NHS staff, and the government are working to fulfil their manifesto pledge to make parking free for staff and patients, something the Labour Party have never proposed, and Starmer should jump onto that Bandwagon and park it somewhere else.
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| Quote Dunkirk Spirit="Dunkirk Spirit"Dear Oh Dear, you have to be one of the most vindictive posters on this forum. Keir Starmer jumped onto this bandwagon at PMQs today. The prime minister’s reply was “parking is still free now for NHS staff, and the government are working to fulfil their manifesto pledge to make parking free for staff and patients, something the Labour Party have never proposed, and Starmer should jump onto that Bandwagon and park it somewhere else.'"
If you listened he didn’t say parking would remain free for all NHS staff and the manifesto pledge related to some patients only. I think you will find that any pledge made by Johnson is not guaranteed, take a look at his promise of no additional paperwork or border controls between Eire and Northern Ireland, how is that going.
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