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| yes my fault in previous post, I did mean their right and our left, sorry
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| It was a cracking game and a really good contest up until the last 20 minutes .
When we've gone behind previously this season I'm fearing the worst but now I'm pretty confident we can reset , not panic and find a way which almost inevitably we do by going direct .
I thought Swinton were excellent and were a very fit group but I also believe that many of our opponent's are bringing their best game when they play us and if they played anything like they do against us against the others they'd be doing much better than many of them are .
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| Quote: Prince Buster "I thought our right side defence was a shambles today and Swinton really exploited it. I think that performance has given Powell plenty to think about. Thankfully our superior pack did the job in the end. However a win is a win, roll on to Whitehaven next week.'"
I think he’s already thought about it. He took Lawford off moved Kay out wide and the tries stopped instantly.
I don’t really like pinning things on individual players but Lawford simply wasn’t getting across to cover. It made Pratt look like a pratt when in fact there was little he could do. The only exaction was the third try, no idea with tat one as there were plenty of bodies there.
Sadly we all got a bit over excited about Lawaford but in truth he’s way out of his depth at the moment. He’s obviously got some skill especially his kicking, but that’s twice that he seems to have lost his nerve- not great. But at least it puts to bed all that nonsense that he should be ahead of Lino and Gale.
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| He's learning the game and how he can develop.
This was a perfect game to play Lawford. He was under pressure and targeted but he was protected enough by having players that can fill in and not lose the game.
Full time environment will give him the chance to find out whether he's got it.
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| I don't think the result was ever in doubt, but I do think today showed there's a fair few players who are nowhere near SL quality should we go back up. Twice now Lawford has been given a chance and twice he's struggled. We can argue he's young, but at 24 I think it's reasonable to expect more against Swinton when we have such a dominant pack.
Our props were the match winners again. Looking forward to seeing more of Bain, early days but looks like we might have another good one there.
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| Myles is 20 mate, 24 is his team number.
We've signed him on a 3-year deal and even paid a fee for the lad. But I have to admit even though he's shown glimpses earlier of a promising player, he's struggled especially defensively a few times and because he's such a small kid I'm not sure how much that will change even in a full-time environment. How much better will it be next year for example, I mean apart from technique, he needs to add a bit of bulk onto his small frame, which is gonna be quite hard and at best a slow and steady process. He just needs to get game time atm, whether that be the odd game, reserves or on the occasional DR game and see where we are nearer the end of the season.
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| My mistake, I don't know where I got 24 from. In which case he does have time on his side then. I still think he's a long way off even at Championship level, but no one better to learn from than Luke Gale.
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| My view from today with the players coming in Lino and Olly Russell with Lawford as back up isn't good enough. Lawford needs 18 months development so maybe a loan this season. So in my view we deffo need another half. We needs some good cover for Max at full back. Maybe Matty Russell is that person.
I hear we have a quota spot so go all out for Hastings but maybe even Drinkwater could do a job
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| Highlights are up on YouTube.
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I couldn't see it at the time, don't think I was watching, but on that first try Walmsley made a hash of that kick, he just needed to get something on it and knock it dead and let them have another set at us from the dropout. As Powell said it takes teams 24 tackles to score on average when they get into our 20-meter area, so it's always the best bet to just get the ball out and reset.
Then on the next try, Walmsley was not in the correct position, sweeping behind our back line and following the ball to cover tackles, so he was in position to make the tackle when they broke through our line when Lawford missed that initial tackle on his man. Something I'm pretty sure Jowitt would have nailed in both cases.
I know Walmsley isn't a fullback and I'd have probably gone with Booth in hindsight but it just reinforced it again today. I think Powell just didn't want to make too many changes, especially with us already missing most of our spine and Bain and Boothroyd coming in. We were without a fair bit of leadership and key players today with no Ashurst, Griffin, Lino & Gale and it showed I thought but obviously needs must and it won't do the team any hard to learn to dig themselves out of holes, which tbf they've been good at so far.
Most teams we've played have had a good crack at sticking it on us in those first 40 minutes and as the games have gone by we've gradually just learned to not panic, soak it up and use our strength, which is our middle players, to wear them out and come through the other side.
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| Lawford needs time and guidance anyone who has played the game at any level knows a seven needs a good pack which today was good but not regular. A solid reliable half back partner again today a new partnership with max trying probably too hard. A good loose forward and a competent full back.
Today was probably too many changes in key positions with all of them trying too hard to please and keep up to what we expect as fans . I see a good player in him with the right teacher
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| I thought once again we looked miles off SL standard. We just seem to be winning on fitness and size in the second half. The score flattered us today.
I'd keep Walmsley away from FB, he seemed reluctant to take a high ball and kept letting it bounce.
Swinton had a good kicking game, apart from the one that didn't go ten. We could learn a lot from that.
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| Quote: homme vaste "rl]rl]Lawford got some awful passes because he was bouncing around like a Duracell bunny every 2 seconds when waiting for he ball.. he had no idea where to put himself and looked nervous and it showed, in the end it is was the right decision to take him off as he was having a disaster of a game. There is definitely a player there with lots of potential, we just need to manage his transition to being a first team player.
Walmsley, albeit not in his natural position, had a shocker. Was sat next to Gale throughout and he had a lot to say about him being absolutely nowhere when we had the ball... Then he'd pop up at dummy half and take the ball in when we were 10 metres out, he's just not cut out for FB, not even as a back up. I think in the end, we just had to rely on barging our way over for points.'"
As soon as I saw the team I knew it would be an awkward afternoon.
Playing best full back at 6.
Playing high scoring winger at 1 (who doesn’t join the line).
Were the most bizzare choices. Powell seems to still be experimenting somewhat to test the depth in certain positions.
I’m a little old fashioned and I’m very much a play your players in their best and natural positions unless absolutely necessary.
I don’t blame either of the two because they’re very good in their respective positions. I hope the experiment is over.
As for Lawford, he’s got a season this year to iron out his game. That said just getting dropped in every few weeks and today playing with an inexperienced half who was also not very effective didn’t help. I feel he would have gone better with Gale or Lino at side of him.
If there is a quota spot though and there is a top quality half then for next season we would be silly not to look.
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| Quote: 18th Man "I thought once again we looked miles off SL standard. We just seem to be winning on fitness and size in the second half. The score flattered us today.
I'd keep Walmsley away from FB, he seemed reluctant to take a high ball and kept letting it bounce.
Swinton had a good kicking game, apart from the one that didn't go ten. We could learn a lot from that.'"
I don't understand why you say this because It's not a surprise, as we had so many changes from our normal 17, especially our spine and 2 backrowers, one debuting and the others being out a fair bit. Plus players are out of position because of knocks etc. Anyway, what's miles off SL, playing like Hull, Cas or London, because watching them I'd say our defence is far better than those teams and so is our pack even accounting for comp, so IMO we'd beat those teams with our full team out and give a couple of others a good game, but hey opinions.
If we were getting a team ready to play in SL team some guys aren't going to be playing and are getting replaced, as we know from what our recruitment manager says, so why do we have to be SL quality in the Championship? Surely we aim to gradually build this season, see who we want to keep for next season and bring in about 9 players, that the club have said they have lined up.
If/when we get put back in SL don't you think our team's going to look quite a bit different?
As for today's game, you seem quick to talk us down, sure we weren't as clinical in defence as we usually are but don't acknowledge that we had a guy at FB who wouldn't be there if we thought we'd struggle, and had a half-back pairing of a 20-year-old prospect and a full back, have they ever played together? and we're only winning because we have a good pack who are fit, I don't agree. Generally, the backs have put in some big games this season, supporting the forwards in back play, keeping teams out and scoring when given a chance. I'm not sure what you expect at this level, for us to nil every team and score 50+.
I don't want to take anything away from Swinton they played far better than expected, but we let them in for some easy points, especially when we only average 10 a game.
We play down the middle because that's where our strength is atm and all our Props are top quality, which makes it hard for the Championship sides to keep being hammered all match without us gradually getting on top. Just like some SL teams do with good big packs, some play more off the cuff because they haven't got the pack to march teams down the field. It's no surprise probably the best team in SL have a monstrous pack and do similar and then their backs play off the back of them in Wigan. That's what we have to contend with hopefully next season.
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| Never going to be a complete performance with so many changes to our squad ,but will have given Powell a good insight into how our squad can perform when changes are required through injuries , and positional changes are required . Every team wants our scalp and will up their game against us that’s a given ,and at times we made it easy for Swinton through poor defensive reads and a clunky attack which was far too easy to shut down, especially our one man rugby, especially in the first half . Forward power got us home with individual barge over tries , but I’m still waiting for those flowing attacking structures that Powell in his Cas days was famous for , even though today we have to give some leeway due to squad changes especially in the half’s
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| Quote: Luppylad "Got to disagree with the right side of defense i thought the majority of issues where our left edge and as been most of the season.4 of the 5 tries cames down out left edge.
Think today is one of those a win is a win and the performance whilst poor will no doubt stop players and fans getting carried away.
What have i learned from today is both boothroyd and bain would be a waste of quota spot,lawford needs to go to hunslet on duel reg for rest of the season hes no way near ready for this yet.'"
A bit harsh on Bain and Boothroyd. Its their first games back after bad injuries, and will probably ly be a bit rusty and may take a coupëe of games for them to hit their straps
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