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Quote: Prince Buster "We will not argue but my opinion is different. I was not that fussed about losing Miller but if this is his replacement
But if it's Gale you mean then he offers everything that people have been accusing Miller of lacking for years - he can run a game, he can kick close to the line, he's no slower than Miller. he has destroyed us for years, he has better hair them Miller - OK the last one is false.

We had all this with Finn - brilliant as it turned out.

Westerman - Brilliant as it turned out.

Sometimes as fans we have to accept our limitations, it's hard, I struggle myself. But maybe it's just a case that the Coach knows best, he knows what he's got and what he hasn't, and how a player will help create a team. We have a relatively young team, we desperately need some nouse, that was evident most of the season. For me it's our defence that has shone rather than our attack, but that won't win us every game, we need an old head or two.

Slightly OTT, but here's a conspiracy theory for you, have you ever seen Gale miss two drop goals, especially against us? Me neither, wonder if he was doing his alleged future employer a favour icon_wink.gif icon_wink.gif icon_wink.gif

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Quote: newgroundb4wakey "I often wonder if TJ regrets extending his stay and what his advice to Murphy would be now.'"


Quite the opposite I suspect.

TJ was always first choice once he got going, never had to worry IMHO. So he was always in the spotlight and always able to sell himself.

If he'd gone to say Saints at say 21 for his first big deal and then picked up so many injuries do you think he'd have walked back into the team every time - I doubt that very much.

He certainly wouldn't have been in a position where despite a number of injury concerns he got a massive deal from Catalan. Wakefield were his passport to that deal and the same will apply to Murphy.

Lets be right here, the offer Trinity will make him will hardly be peanuts, especially for a 20 year old! It's not like TJ was on poor money and even now it's not like we pay our players in beer tokens.

At Trinity he is safe to develop for a few more seasons, and if he's luckier than TJ injury wise his big move may arrive a year or two earlier. That would be my advise and I suspect it would be Toms advice.

Remember also Toms only 27, he's a few years left yet if he can stay fit.

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Quote: vastman "

Slightly OTT, but here's a conspiracy theory for you, have you ever seen Gale miss two drop goals, especially against us? Me neither, wonder if he was doing his alleged future employer a favour
Vasty, think you may be on to something there. Not only those drop goal attempts now I come to think about it. Every time we have played Hull this season Gale has played like he was making sure they lost icon_biggrin.gif icon_wink.gif

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Not just slightly OTT.

I like Gale as a player but I'd rather have a younger model
And also, we need someone to partner Lino. I'm not sure they would work well together but in the absence of anyone else I guess Gale ticks a lot of boxes.

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Mike Rush at St Helens has firmly set his sights on Lewis Murphy as Grace’s replacement, and he’ll be happy to pay to get him!
We’ll do well to keep him as they can blow us away in terms of his wages and they can offer him stability, Finals and a better platform to get into the England team

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Quote: The Avenger "Mike Rush at St Helens has firmly set his sights on Lewis Murphy as Grace’s replacement, and he’ll be happy to pay to get him!
We’ll do well to keep him as they can blow us away in terms of his wages and they can offer him stability, Finals and a better platform to get into the England team'"


Who cares about Mile Rush and that's next year so icon_moon.gif to Saints. He'd have to pay enough to rebuild the West terrace for now.

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Gale is not the answer he is clearly past his best. He was an excellent player the operative word being “was”. I would assume his appeal to us is his reputation and the fact he will be cheap and ours to him being we are the only club in SL who will sign him.
I have just two words for those with selective amnesia Danny Brough the similarities are there for all to see. How many games has he missed through injury and suspension during the last season.

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Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "Gale is not the answer he is clearly past his best. He was an excellent player the operative word being “was”. I would assume his appeal to us is his reputation and the fact he will be cheap and ours to him being we are the only club in SL who will sign him.
I have just two words for those with selective amnesia Danny Brough the similarities are there for all to see. How many games has he missed through injury and suspension during the last season.'"


People like you said that about Finn etc etc, it's just RL cliches that are endlessly trotted out by those who don't get it. Just my opinion, but I like to judge players after I've seen them in the RWB not before, that's what coaches are good at but then we have a lot of those on hear. I can't wait for one of them to actually be right icon_lol.gif

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Quote: vastman "People like you said that about Finn etc etc, it's just RL cliches that are endlessly trotted out by those who don't get it. Just my opinion, but I like to judge players after I've seen them in the RWB not before, that's what coaches are good at but then we have a lot of those on hear. I can't wait for one of them to actually be right God i wish we could of got Finn 3/4 years earlier.

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Quote: vastman "People like you said that about Finn etc etc, it's just RL cliches that are endlessly trotted out by those who don't get it. Just my opinion, but I like to judge players after I've seen them in the RWB not before, that's what coaches are good at but then we have a lot of those on hear. I can't wait for one of them to actually be right
It didn’t work too well with Lineham we are stuck with him for another two years and I remember many questioned the Brough signing so I guess the club chose not to hear us.

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Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "It didn’t work too well with Lineham we are stuck with him for another two years and I remember many questioned the Brough signing so I guess the club chose not to hear us.'"


You do realise Lineham was only 28 when we signed him, one year older than TJ is now. You really need to do your research before trolling. Whatever the issues with Lineham his age wasn't one of them icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: vastman "You do realise Lineham was only 28 when we signed him, one year older than TJ is now. You really need to do your research before trolling. Whatever the issues with Lineham his age wasn't one of them
I didn’t say it was I was merely providing an example of why your strategy can fail and quite spectacularly. I think you need to read my post and tell me where I refer to his age.

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Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "It didn’t work too well with Lineham we are stuck with him for another two years and I remember many questioned the Brough signing so I guess the club chose not to hear us.'"


I'm really glad they don't.

Off the top of my head
- Accept relegation and play part time in championship
- Ashurst is too old
- Tupou will never be a centre
- TJ can't tackle
- Whitbread isn't good enough for an overseas contract
- Never play Gaskell again
- Crowther won't make it
- Westerman is too big a risk to sign
- Hall shouldn't play second row
- Tanginoa shouldn't be prop or second row or prop etc
- Poching can't coach
- throw a kid in we've never seen play

Etc etc etc.

We don't know what they know. So it's great to discuss but let's not pretend we/ you know better.

And Brough was a good option till he got injured. And Lineham didn't look a terrible signing at first. It's easy to criticise with hindsight.

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Quote: PopTart "I'm really glad they don't.

Off the top of my head
- Accept relegation and play part time in championship
- Ashurst is too old
- Tupou will never be a centre
- TJ can't tackle
- Whitbread isn't good enough for an overseas contract
- Never play Gaskell again
- Crowther won't make it
- Westerman is too big a risk to sign
- Hall shouldn't play second row
- Tanginoa shouldn't be prop or second row or prop etc
- Poching can't coach
- throw a kid in we've never seen play

Etc etc etc.

We don't know what they know. So it's great to discuss but let's not pretend we/ you know better.

And Brough was a good option till he got injured. And Lineham didn't look a terrible signing at first. It's easy to criticise with hindsight.'"


These are some of Vastman’s greatest hits plus who was it who suggested that TJ would benefit from a loan period at Featherstone because he was not ready for SL. I wonder if they would admit to knowing better ?
With regards Brough he was good but at his age injury and a long recovery was more than likely.

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Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "These are some of Vastman’s greatest hits plus who was it who suggested that TJ would benefit from a loan period at Featherstone because he was not ready for SL. I wonder if they would admit to knowing better ?
With regards Brough he was good but at his age injury and a long recovery was more than likely.'"


They are not just Vasty. Stop trying to deflect. Your point was ridiculous. The list proves it.

I would put some of your suggestions on there, but you don't actually make any.
You just criticise everything and troll other posters. Quite sad that I think.

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