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| Quote: Eastern Wildcat "Well said Daddycol.
While we all bemoan refereeing performances, and think we have all been guilty of it in the past. I do think that there are some that tale it to the next level, and personal abuse of anyone, is unacceptable.
Maybe, looking at the refereeing as a whole, how about increasing their pay, and train ing etc, but at the same time, make them more accountable, when errors are made. Potentially, if you are a player in a team at the wrong end of a bad call, you're livelihood, could well be at stake'"
If they make a bad call and it costs someone their job, that's unfortunate, but not the end of the world. People make bad calls in other walks of life that cost people their lives, and get away with it, the people in the highest ranked, paid professions, who probably should know better, probably some perspective needed if a ref gets it wrong at a sporting event.
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| At the end of the day, if Jowitt kicks one of those goals we win, pure and simple. Then whatever had gone on previously becomes irrelevant, whatever Child did or didn't do wouldn't have mattered because we had the opportunity to win, he didn't take that away from us, because that's how the game panned out. If we had won i'm sure many would have still bemoaned his performance, but his refereeing did not cause the game to finish 26-26?
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| I never shout personal abuse at anyone on the pitch! I generally just mutter FFS and shake my head.
I can't not comment on an individual who has some vendetta against a club I've supported since a child. NO NOT ALL REFEREES.
Next to family Trinity is the next constant to me. Lets see how the future pans out.
Lets publicise the statistics. Maybe we're wrong? I think not.
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| Quote: Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo "I think all we can do is keep highlighting his appointments and performances across as many platforms as possible. Does anyone 100% know the actual statistics of our games with him in charge?'"
Kirmudgeonly posted on the other "Child" thread that we have won 3 out of 30+ when he has been the ref...??
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| Quote: FIL "Kirmudgeonly posted on the other "Child" thread that we have won 3 out of 30+ when he has been the ref...??'"
Under different coaches as well I imagine.
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| Quote: Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo "I never shout personal abuse at anyone on the pitch! I generally just mutter FFS and shake my head.
I can't not comment on an individual who has some vendetta against a club I've supported since a child. NO NOT ALL REFEREES.
Next to family Trinity is the next constant to me. Lets see how the future pans out.
Lets publicise the statistics. Maybe we're wrong? I think not.'"
I remember being stood at Belle Vue, and watching in absolute horror at Robin Whitfield I think it was, point to the spot when awarding a 'try' to Neil Summers for Bradford, when I could see with my own eyes the ball was grounded feet short of the line! Not inches, or millimeteres, no video ref, nothing. It was one of the most blatant wrong decisions I have ever seen. There were pics in all the papers highlighting how bad it was! I honestly can't remember at the time if he was ever asked, questioned or whatever. But the point is, me and everybody else who cared, can't say that he gave it because of his love of Bradford, or dislike of Trinity! Only he knows what was going through his head at that particular time, and even if he is asked to explain, you can only take his answer at face value! It's just pointless hanging them out to dry after the event. Why did Child at Cas award Westermans' try when it was clearly forward????
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| I remember it well, although I've previously posted (incorrectly) that I thought it was Brian Noble , but yes it was an absolute howler of a decision. We were attacking down near the North end (no North Stand in those days !!) and Summers (not Noble !!) somehow got the ball and ran about 90 metres but got tackled by our fullback just short of the line but there were no officials anywhere near at the time and IIRC Summers celebrated as though he had scored, so Whitfield awarded the try....absolute travesty !!!
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| Quote: FIL "Kirmudgeonly posted on the other "Child" thread that we have won 3 out of 30+ when he has been the ref...??'"
Then we need to be better in those games.
There is no way he is trying to make us lose. We just don't handle his style very well.
Personal abuse is just wrong.
I get a lot of grief from people on here defending their right to free speach but for me, abuse isn't part of that.
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| Quote: PopTart "Then we need to be better in those games.
There is no way he is trying to make us lose. We just don't handle his style very well.
Personal abuse is just wrong.
I get a lot of grief from people on here defending their right to free speach but for me, abuse isn't part of that.'"
No one is abusing Child, more criticising his refereeing style which we always seem to be on the wrong end of, no matter the personnel changes
EDIT - no one is abusing Child ON HERE as far as I can see. Facebook and Twitter is another matter.
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| Quote: PopTart "Then we need to be better in those games.
There is no way he is trying to make us lose. We just don't handle his style very well.
Personal abuse is just wrong.
I get a lot of grief from people on here defending their right to free speach but for me, abuse isn't part of that.'"
Sorry Pop Tart. I think the part *We just don’t handle his style very well” is so wrong. The only style any referee should have is fairness and consistent. I’m sorry to say I have never seen that in any game Mr Child has officiated in a Trinity match.
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| Quote: Daddycool "I think you should read the tweet from Gareth Walker from a Super League Referee’s wife, and then close down this discussion quickly. Referees are human beings. We may not like every decision they make, but they deserve respect. This place (not as much) and that Northstanders page are becoming so vitriolic and poisonous. Not just referees, but others associated with the Club, who are also life long fans, just doing their job to the best of their ability. And yet they get publicly lambasted, with their families directly or indirectly told about it, and the whole world to see. At times, it’s soul destroying for me, and I don’t get 1% of what referees, head coaches, or players get. It’s time to start thinking about we actually do and say.'"
I understand what you are saying DC, but we are surely allowed to question decisions of a referee. No matter which one.
In my own role I get questioned re some of my decisions, particularly when they're wrong! So I believe you have to accept its part of life in whatever job/role you do.
In life we get analysed for our role, so it should be expected that this is regarded in the same light.
However, I totally 100% agree with you regarding abuse of any individual.
I would not accept it and neither should any one to do with any club - either officials, coaches volunteers etc. or referees.
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| Quote: BarnsleyGull "I understand what you are saying DC, but we are surely allowed to question decisions of a referee. No matter which one.
In my own role I get questioned re some of my decisions, particularly when they're wrong! So I believe you have to accept its part of life in whatever job/role you do.
In life we get analysed for our role, so it should be expected that this is regarded in the same light.
However, I totally 100% agree with you regarding abuse of any individual.
I would not accept it and neither should any one to do with any club - either officials, coaches volunteers etc. or referees.'"
I reckon you get questioned rather than screamed at, by a crowd of people, aggressively, and then followed up with social media comments accusing you of cheating so that your friends and family can see it.
I don't see why people think they have the right to do that to be honest. There is a process for reviewing referee performance by people far more qualified than we are. Those are the people that question him.
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| Quote: BarnsleyGull "I understand what you are saying DC, but we are surely allowed to question decisions of a referee. No matter which one.
In my own role I get questioned re some of my decisions, particularly when they're wrong! So I believe you have to accept its part of life in whatever job/role you do.
In life we get analysed for our role, so it should be expected that this is regarded in the same light.
However, I totally 100% agree with you regarding abuse of any individual.
I would not accept it and neither should any one to do with any club - either officials, coaches volunteers etc. or referees.'"
Agree with your post 100%. I would never abuse anybody at a match or on social media but I do have a right to question decisions on a fans forum such as this that can impact on the end result of a game. To shut down discussions on the performance of a match official or a player (both positive and negative) during a match is just plain wrong, this should not be seen as abuse.
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| Quote: PopTart "I reckon you get questioned rather than screamed at, by a crowd of people, aggressively, and then followed up with social media comments accusing you of cheating so that your friends and family can see it.
I don't see why people think they have the right to do that to be honest. There is a process for reviewing referee performance by people far more qualified than we are. Those are the people that question him.'"
I was talking about being questioned in my role and yes I can assure you I have also been screamed at.
So, in essence it is the same.
Agree re the cheating/abuse side of things.
As for a ref being screamed at, I'm pretty sure that is not exclusive to Wakefield fans.
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| Quote: BarnsleyGull "I was talking about being questioned in my role and yes I can assure you I have also been screamed at.
So, in essence it is the same.
Agree re the cheating/abuse side of things.
As for a ref being screamed at, I'm pretty sure that is not exclusive to Wakefield fans.'"
Screamed at, I’ve been threatened to be knocked out during my mining career, they are still looking for them by the way
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