Good quality weed and YouTube.

The conspiracy route is also a manifestation of some people’s fear.

Quote: coco the fullback "Do you have a link to the source of the data you quoted? This? Source[/i Depends what price you put on lives I suppose. I'm sure not locking down protected the economy in Sweden though... or not. Yeah I think the link is [/i https://www.thelocal.no/20200522/norway ... alth-chief South America is a different kettle of fish to Europe. To be fair to countries like Brazil they were unlucky as the outbreak of the virus was followed by them entering into their Winter season. Looking at the the daily deaths they have still been falling since the 29th July regardless of a nationwide lockdown mandate. I fully expect the rate will continue to fall as they start to enter the summer months in December. Admittedly they did have a prolonged 2 month peak prior to 29th July but this can be explained as mentioned before on it being coupled with the Winter season. Lets now use the example of Brazil against the country with the worlds strictest lockdown, Peru, in the same continent as them. Their lockdown was militarised but they still have a higher death rate per capita and less susceptible number of people to run through than Brazil Peru population = 33,114,228 million - Covid deaths = 34,033 (1,028 deaths per million population) Brazil population = 213,032,208 million - Total Covid deaths = 156,528 (735 deaths per million population) Source - https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ My point is if you looked at all the graphs and you were blinded to the label of each country. I'd be surprised if you could tell me just by looking at them which countries lockdown and which didn't.

Quote: coco the fullback "Do you have a link to the source of the data you quoted? This? Source[/i Depends what price you put on lives I suppose. I'm sure not locking down protected the economy in Sweden though... or not. Yeah I think the link is [/i https://www.thelocal.no/20200522/norway ... alth-chief South America is a different kettle of fish to Europe. To be fair to countries like Brazil they were unlucky as the outbreak of the virus was followed by them entering into their Winter season. Looking at the the daily deaths they have still been falling since the 29th July regardless of a nationwide lockdown mandate. I fully expect the rate will continue to fall as they start to enter the summer months in December. Admittedly they did have a prolonged 2 month peak prior to 29th July but this can be explained as mentioned before on it being coupled with the Winter season. Lets now use the example of Brazil against the country with the worlds strictest lockdown, Peru, in the same continent as them. Their lockdown was militarised but they still have a higher death rate per capita and less susceptible number of people to run through than Brazil Peru population = 33,114,228 million - Covid deaths = 34,033 (1,028 deaths per million population) Brazil population = 213,032,208 million - Total Covid deaths = 156,528 (735 deaths per million population) Source - https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ My point is if you looked at all the graphs and you were blinded to the label of each country. I'd be surprised if you could tell me just by looking at them which countries lockdown and which didn't.

Just a few points to put New Zealand's performance into context for you - population a mere 5,002,100, population density of 46/mi², which ranks them as low as 200 out of 232 countries in the world.

Using the C19 deaths per million chart they are the 3rd highest hit country in their Oceainia region consisting of 14 countries, only Australia and French Polynesia are faring worst than them. They've recorded more deaths per million than much larger countries in neighboring regions of Asia - Thailand, Sri Lanka, Vietnam, Taiwan and Cambodia. All these countries have a population count of well over 16 million to almost 100 million people.

Are you saying that they havent done very well ?
I fully accept that their population density and numbers are massively different to ours, which gives them a huge advantage when trying to keep on top of the virus.

However, the point that I was making is that there seem to be well on top of the virus and there is nobody forcing 5G on them or injecting them with some dodgy vaccine and yet, broadly speaking, they are following the same route as much of the rest of the world.
The "world re set theory" doesn't seem to be a factor fot them or the other countries that you have suggested are doing "better" than New Zealand.

I will ask the same question of you that I asked Miro

What is your position on the virus and how it should be handled and do you still believe that it is a factor in "your" "world re set" theory ?

Absolutely and their population density is nothing like ours.
However, as I said, their strategy is broadly similar to other nations and our resident "expert" has been suggesting that "everyone" has got this wrong AND that their is a "world re set" taking place.

Every government will have made some mistakes, as this was a "new" virus but, the wider comments from Miro and Matthew, which seem to suggest that the virus is part of a much broader "attack" doesn't stack up.

As you were.

I'm saying it would be like me praising my German Shepherd every night for keeping grizzly bears away from the front door.

Ah, so they (NZ) arent at risk form 5G or the vaccine, just the "global re set"

What about your own position on the virus and how it should be dealt with ?

Correction on page 52 - 23 days after 23 March 2020 (lockdown) in theory would give us a peak infection to fatality date of at least 15th April 2020. Using the whole UK data from the page 'Coronavirus[/i https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... l-ferguson Only true of course if you believe lockdowns actually have a significant impact, I have my doubts.

Correction on page 52 - 23 days after 23 March 2020 (lockdown) in theory would give us a peak infection to fatality date of at least 15th April 2020. Using the whole UK data from the page 'Coronavirus[/i https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... l-ferguson Only true of course if you believe lockdowns actually have a significant impact, I have my doubts.

Quote: wrencat1873 "Ah, so they (NZ) arent at risk form 5G or the vaccine, just the "global re set" What about your own position on the virus and how it should be dealt with ?'" Protect the vulnerable and those most at risk. https://gbdeclaration.org/

Quote: wrencat1873 "Ah, so they (NZ) arent at risk form 5G or the vaccine, just the "global re set" What about your own position on the virus and how it should be dealt with ?'" Protect the vulnerable and those most at risk. https://gbdeclaration.org/

Quote: Miro "Your quote Here's another interesting campaign involving Bill Gates, his overreach is everywhere https://www.decadeofhealth.co.uk/

Quote: Miro "Your quote Here's another interesting campaign involving Bill Gates, his overreach is everywhere https://www.decadeofhealth.co.uk/

Go on Billy boy, here is some ammo.....................fill yer boots. Or I'll nick em.

Yup, that's me to a T.
No sorry, Shouldn't laugh, I'll shut up now. let Mr Hess continue.


In particular, the survey asked participants about their belief in general conspiracies (for example, “governments hide information from the public”) and specific ones (like “Princess Diana was murdered by elements within the British establishment”). It also measured personality traits known to predict criminal behavior, including humility, honesty, and moral identity. Finally, it asked about how much crime participants actually committed.
Both measures of belief in conspiracy theories were positively associated with everyday crime behaviors. In other words, people who reported that they believed in conspiracy theories were significantly more likely to have actual criminal histories. Additionally, positive personality traits like honesty and humility were negatively correlated with everyday criminal behaviors — perhaps offering a partial explanation for the relationship between conspiracy belief and crime.
“It is possible, therefore, that individuals who are pre-disposed to immoral behaviour find conspiracy theories more appealing,” the team writes. “On the other hand, conspiracy theories may inspire people to commit unethical acts as a route to cope with a world where conspiracies happen.”

The second study took a more active experimental approach to examine the link between a belief in conspiracies and a tendency toward criminal behavior. Rather than asking people to report their criminal histories, the researchers asked some of their 120 participants to read an article about conspiracy theories. The control group, in contrast, didn’t read anything. Here’s an excerpt from the one of the articles:

…To take the example of Princess Diana’s death, it is no secret that the British government were discontented with Princess Diana’s involvement with Dodi Fayed and also with her increasing involvement in politics…. One must, therefore, question the claim that her death was simply a tragic accident…

Crucially, the excerpt did not include the term “conspiracy theory.”
Afterward, participants reported on their own levels of anomie — social instability resulting from a breakdown of standards and values — and disillusionment, as well as their willingness to engage in everyday crimes. The people who read the conspiracy article were significantly more likely to report that they were interested in doing crimes, suggesting that the effect measured in Study 1 wasn’t a coincidence. Perhaps, they propose, there is a causal link: Conspiracy theories make people feel more anomie and generally less bound by positive social traits, translating to a higher willingness to engage in everyday crimes.
The data from these two studies, the team argues, provides crucial insight into the psychological relationship between conspiracy theories and crime. The same factors that might lead someone to believe in conspiracy theories, they say, could also become more severe as a result of that belief.
“Specifically, exposure to conspiracy theories was associated with increased feelings of anomie, which in turn were associated with stronger intentions to engage in everyday crime,” they write. “This is consistent with recent theorizing suggesting that social factors, such as alienation and anomie, may not only be psychological antecedents of belief in conspiracy theories, but they might also be exacerbated by exposure to conspiracy theories.”
Abstract: Belief in conspiracy theories is associated with negative outcomes such as political disengagement, prejudice, and environmental inaction. The current studies — one cross-sectional (N = 253) and one experimental (N = 120) — tested the hypothesis that belief in conspiracy theories would increase intentions to engage in everyday crime. Study 1 demonstrated that belief in conspiracy theories predicted everyday crime behaviours when controlling for other known predictors of everyday crime (e.g., Honesty–Humility). Study 2 demonstrated that exposure to conspiracy theories (vs. control) increased intentions to engage in everyday crime in the future, through an increased feeling of anomie. The perception that others have conspired may therefore in some contexts lead to negative action rather than inaction.

One criteria you could use should you wish to take sides , is the old adage, "follow the money." My guess is those experts quoted in the link are not funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation. Something that can't be said of the official "experts.

Well you certainly missed answering the questions I set you AGAIN. I genuinly though you would be up for it, Maybe the truth is too much to bear. bare ? I dunno, you choose.

Blimey...I mean BLIMEY . Is the MSN doing an about turn??? OR I finally go mainstream ???? Full article in the Telegraph. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/comm ... onspiracy/

Blimey...I mean BLIMEY . Is the MSN doing an about turn??? OR I finally go mainstream ???? Full article in the Telegraph. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/comm ... onspiracy/

I've seen and read your posts on the subject of covid and the various issues around corrupt governments with hidden agenda, world reset, not restricting movement etc, etc and you've gone into huge detail on some aspects of these issues.
What you haven't done is suggest a different route.
Therefore, with your "superior" in depth knowledge, what would your response be to covid at this point.

Free movement for all ?
Replace the government ? if so who do you want in charge of the UK ?
Carry on as we are, with seemingly perpetual "lock downs"
Wearing face coverings
Social distancing