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| Quote: vastman "You're in administration man, you have gone bust for heavens sake - exactly like we did. It's the Administrator keeping your players rather than selling them to pay the creditors - why is open to conjecture.
Have you no understanding of the situation at all?
What are you waffling on about?
Of course we have gone bust and of course the administrator makes the decisions. It is his job to get as much back for the club to pay debtors and his fees. He therefore made the decision to sack staff rather than players and try and keep the club playing week to week so that the club could be sold as an on going concern and maximise returns, rather than the club just going out of existence and everyone getting nothing.
One of the major conditions of bids coming in was that the young talent was kept at the club, hence me saying that keeping the players was a priority.
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| Quote: PHe "One that you cannot afford and someone else is paying for
That ones already been done.
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| Quote: bigchris "What are you waffling on about?
Of course we have gone bust and of course the administrator makes the decisions. It is his job to get as much back for the club to pay debtors and his fees. He therefore made the decision to sack staff rather than players and try and keep the club playing week to week so that the club could be sold as an on going concern and maximise returns, rather than the club just going out of existence and everyone getting nothing.
One of the major conditions of bids coming in was that the young talent was kept at the club, hence me saying that keeping the players was a priority.'"
No it's you who's waffling and frankly making it up as you go along - you said "When this situation first raised it's ugly head a number of Wakey fans said go bust, have a clear out of players and start a fresh. Maybe that suited your club when your situation arose, but we have a structure of a very good rugby league side and it appears the priority has been to keep hold of our young talent" are you bust or not?
At what point does a club or any business in administration/bust have the option to decide what the priorities are - ie keeping young players - jeez how arrogant can a set of fans get. Give your head a shake, the only priority for a business in Administration is paying creditors - unless someone is making it very very agreeable for the administrator to keep said youngsters.
Something is very wrong with this whole situation and most right minded people know it.
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| Quote: coco the fullback "I'm not sure anyone has anything but sympathy for the actual fans, who are blameless in all this.
The comparisons to Wakefield's situation are unhelpful, and I don't have a problem with the way we were treated by the RFL at the time. I think they went as far as they could or should have to assist.
My only concern is in the style and level of involvement of the RFL/SLE in this case.
From 'secret' loans, to grade 'B' licence, to lease buys, to financial support of the players, but not the backroom or coaching staff.
Prior to going into admin, the club seemed to be run as if nothing was wrong. Where were the cost-cutting measures to try and make the business viable? Other clubs, e.g. Cas, have had to sell players and assets to keep the business afloat.
If any of the creditors (particularly HMRC) don't get paid in full, the RFL could be seen as complicit in avoiding these debts.
Added to that the number of dangerous precedents that have been set for other clubs, this could get extremely embarrassing for the sport.'"
That's it, can you imagine the uproar from fans if the RFL did kick a team out of SL for whatever reason in the future, the stink would be unbelievable.
Like you've said, dangerous precedents have been set and they've backed themselves into a corner with this one big time.
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| Quote: vastman "No it's you who's waffling and frankly making it up as you go along - you said "When this situation first raised it's ugly head a number of Wakey fans said go bust, have a clear out of players and start a fresh. Maybe that suited your club when your situation arose, but we have a structure of a very good rugby league side and it appears the priority has been to keep hold of our young talent" are you bust or not?
At what point does a club or any business in administration/bust have the option to decide what the priorities are - ie keeping young players - jeez how arrogant can a set of fans get. Give your head a shake, the only priority for a business in Administration is paying creditors - unless someone is making it very very agreeable for the administrator to keep said youngsters.
Something is very wrong with this whole situation and most right minded people know it.'"
Can you not read? I have just said that obviously we are in admin and it is the administrators decision.
I said it appears that the administrator is trying to maximise return for the club and as so retaining the players as a priority to sell the club as an on going concern. As I have also said I believe one of the conditions of offers put forward is that no players are sold. Why do you think he has kept the players?
Where have I said the club/business are deciding to keep hold of the players?
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| Quote: bigchris "Can you not read? I have just said that obviously we are in admin and it is the administrators decision.
I said it appears that the administrator is trying to maximise return for the club and as so retaining the players as a priority to sell the club as an on going concern. As I have also said I believe one of the conditions of offers put forward is that no players are sold. Why do you think he has kept the players?
Where have I said the club/business are deciding to keep hold of the players?'"
At the end of the day this alll stinks of Bull , I'm waiting for the next club to go bust, and they better get the help the Bulls are getting... RFL/SL are fools for taking this root, it will open a can of worms in the future for sure..
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| Quote: bigchris "The whole of your post was utter garbage but the first bit highlighted is just laughable.
Laughable? You weren't a big club in the 60s,70s,80 and aren't a big club now. You had a few good successful Bullmania years when Caisley thought he owned the league and your away support was good, you had the best team in the league so your support should have been good as would anyother team with that success. You started thinking you were bigger than you are offering big contracts buying ru clubs and in the end couldn't sustain it and you are where you are now, a mess. I've no bad feeling towards Bradford it just winds me up all this "sl can't lose Bradford" nonsence. If Bradford went down how would it effect Wakefield? if replaced by Halifax or Fev it wouldn't effect our attendance,fev would attract a bigger crowd to be honest.
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| Quote: bigchris "That ones already been done.'"
And it'll keep getting done if you insist in coming on here bleating!
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| One of the major conditions of bids was that no players were sold? Thought the bids had to be unconditional?
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| Quote: bigchris "Can you not read? I have just said that obviously we are in admin and it is the administrators decision.
I said it appears that the administrator is trying to maximise return for the club and as so retaining the players as a priority to sell the club as an on going concern. As I have also said I believe one of the conditions of offers put forward is that no players are sold. Why do you think he has kept the players?
Where have I said the club/business are deciding to keep hold of the players?'"
Yes I can read, can you not comprehend?
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| Basically, bulls may get into playoffs with a team they can't afford. It's been going on for far too long now, it's starting to go a bit stale. (a bit like the 'iconic' odsal pitch at the corners lol)
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| Quote: bigchris "Funnily enough I have not worked out the exact percentage, it just appears that a lot of the fans having a go at our club and hoping we fail are Wakey fans.
Our administrator has approached our administration in a completely different way to yours, some of his decisions have been very strange but if bold decisions like sacking staff (until a buyer is found and knowing a fund would probably be set up) rather than the players has meant we could retain our players, then maybe it was the right decision. Would we have got this support between seasons? Not so sure, very much doubt it.
The fact we were awarded a license when our finances were in a mess is strange I agree, but I'm sure we are not the only club in the same situation.'"
Now this brings a whole new view on things!! Did Bradford purposely go into the season with the knowledge that they would go bust (They did budget to lose 100k a month) and that this would pull on the RFL to assist them? Rather that than do it in the close season and have to sell some of the playing staff?
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| Quote: Giggity Quagmire "Now this brings a whole new view on things!! Did Bradford purposely go into the season with the knowledge that they would go bust (They did budget to lose 100k a month) and that this would pull on the RFL to assist them? Rather that than do it in the close season and have to sell some of the playing staff?'"
Any team over spending by £1.2M should have a squad capable of winning the grand final
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| I'm fairly ambivalent about the Bull situation because:
1. If the Bulls hadn't gone into admin, we would be out of the play-off race, as they would have secured their play-offs and be in 6th.
2. If the RFL had helped out Ted & Co like they have Bradford, we wouldn't have got a franchise and would be in the Championship. It is entirely because of the lack of support from the RFL, in that we had a request for a loan from the RFL turned down, that we ended up with AG, and it was the plans, promises and enthusiasm of AG that got us a franchise.
I just kinda think that it all works out in the end. We now have reassurances about staying at 14 teams, which was probably the sweetener to get us, Cas and Salford on board, and so maybe there is something in it for us after all. And Cas and Salford, etc.
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| What's in it for champ clubs though?
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