I based calling you an idiot on your opinion that Bibey is 'useless' and an 'ornament'. If you think it is acceptable to describe people/players in this way don't be surprised if you yourself are described in such a way.

I do also disagree with the opinion that Bibey is not good enough for the squad.

Are we 'letting him go'? Are we letting Snitch go? Are we letting Grix go? Are we letting Wilkes go? Or are they being offered better deals financially/length of contract/location by other clubs?

It is not impossible to not want to see a player leave but still have faith in John Kear.

Im confused! I thought we were talking about Bibey because 'someone in the know' has said he is going. Your right we dont know either way as per Snitch etc.

I thought the general assumption was that he is going and on that basis if we wanted to keep him we would offer a better deal than he is being offered in a lower league would we not. Is that not how it works?

Someones worth is defined by what people will pay them (per annum and over a contract lenghth ie 3 years etc) They must value him more than us or he must really value the location as opposed to top flight rugby however I cant see the latter.

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That is my opinion from watching him as a player and what he contributes to the team as a professional sportsman. I feel he offers very little at this elite level and his skills will be well suited to the lower leagues!

Supporters are obviously divided on this one, but there are not too many other coaches in super league jumping at the opportunity to sign Mr Bibey. That in itself suggests he is not good enough and i for one am glad you are not the coach J.T!

Not going into details here - but some players have been offered new deals and some have not. Of those that have been offered deals, some have accepted them and others have not. Not all details have been released as of yet - for whatever.

Be careful in assuming that a player may or may not have been offered a new deal. I believe the reason for retaining the information is to do with this relating to next season - when there is a big prize available this season which we need to keep focus on.

The point was that all the players I mentioned including Bibey have according to those 'in the know' been offered better contracts from other clubs. This does not mean the club are letting them go they have just been offered better terms elsewhere regardless of which team is making the offer. As to Bibey a 3 year contract with his hometown club on a decent wage as they push for a SL licence might be very attractive indeed.

How do you know this?

As to the rest I understood perfectly well your point the first time. I called you an idiot because of the way you chose to express it.

I agree you would not be happy if I was the coach as I would ban idiots from the ground!

Ok ok im bored of Bibey now

When is someone gonna come up with another rumour we can all get exceited about

Phil's right and I dont know why we get sucked into all this. We should wait until facts are released and then debate them as all this is just a distraction to our great season were having.

I don't have an issue with you not being a Bibey fan or that you don't especially rate him. However without getting overly PC about this when you use the terms to describe him in your post you destroy your argument.

He may not be world class and perhaps only borderline SL, but he has put in a good stint this year and played to the best of his ability. The level of that ability is open to debate, I actually think he has been our best prop this season, however all things are relative.

I will be sad to see him go but accept his limitations and I suspect we have got the best out of the lad. To describe his efforts as you have done is sadly idiotic, very few players desrve those accolades and IMO Bibey isn't one.

Good luck Ricky and thanks.

You've been boring me for 5 pages but I've put up with it.

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You fancy learning how to properly jambon.