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Quote: bren2k "I don't think sixtogo has said anything that warrants being silenced - his original post is quite clearly an attack on the underhand tactics of the developer rather than anyone involved from the ST; that said, it's quite difficult to be critical of the process without being perceived to be being critical of the people representing the club and the supporters within that process.

I actually think he's reading the situation about right - the machinery of local government is virtually impenetrable at the best of times and despite the claims of transparency and accountability, officials will use it against you to get what they want - and they'll usually succeed. When Colin Mackie showed his hand, it became abundantly clear that there was to be no stadium, and that view was further compounded when Peter Box publicly shrugged his shoulders and said "it's nowt to do with us Guv."

I've got absolutely no faith that we'll get anything other than some kind of token hush-hush money to make improvements at BV; despite the Herculean efforts of TRB, IA et al, none of the people who can actually make it happen have shown any will to do so - as someone else has already said, the community, the club and the ST have been stitched up good and proper.

All that said - I do agree that the best approach until they've made that totally clear is to play along and not make any dramatic gestures; which is probably why TRB and co are the best people to be involved, rather than some of the more hot-headed posters on here.'"


Dear Bren

Don't agree with you, or not where this poster is concerned.

He has used any chance to point out his pet scenario - this is a scenario we are all aware of, not least TRB - it's also one of the more likely scenarios. No one hiding the truth.

So what and big deal.

SWAG and TRB's job isn't to accept defeat and push the negative, it's to be positive and active until such point as the battle is truly lost - it isn't yet as far as I can see.

TRB and IA may be fanatical in their belief that we deserve something but they are not stupid, they are not going to spend a large portion of their free time chasing the impossible, and to me that is the arrogance and insensitivity of "experts" like sixtogo that annoys. Though I have never suggested they can't post, but why should they post with impunity?

We are all fully aware that his pet scenario is a possibility, even a distinct one, however without the relentless efforts of TRB and IA it's an absolute certainty IMHO.

So rather than go on like some Uncle Mort character with pint truly half full, support the lads or better still help them. I mean with 25 years alleged service in planning you'd think he'd be chomping at the bit - I would, but unfortunately I only do print and design so my input isn't required for now.

Finally it's not for me to second-guess TRB's state of mind but knowing him as I do some of the barbs and negativity he gets will hurt. The guys are volunteers for heavens sake, one isn't even a Trinity fan and at the end of all this all they will either get a footnote in the clubs history or an ulcer and maybe some self satisfaction.

Thanks for your time.

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I'm free!

I'm not so much hurt by the comments, as a little frustrated by them and by the inability for people to try and see the world from over here. That frustration also stems from not having been able to discuss matters publicly - which is why folk 'hit-out'.

I'm not sure what happens next. We have several ideas / options and we will review them all before any action.

Would I have done this if I'd known, 10 years ago, that this would be where we are at - too bloomin' right I would, because we at least have a case to fight with/for. Without the previous 10 years we'd certainly have nothing, and may well have been booted out of SL before now!

Michael can speak for himself, but I doubt he'd be here if there hadn't been the possibility of a new stadium, nor Glover before him!

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As a supporter for going on 60 years even I find it difficult at times to 'keep faith' and look forward positively.
I think its not knowing as to whether or not we are to get anything at all out of the situation.
This is not meant to be negative , but as I see it ,enough to make considerable ground improvements, would not be failure on the part of those 'fighting the cause'.
Keep at it TRB, IA and others.

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TRB - If Cas Tigers do get the go-ahead for the new site at Glasshoughton (I know alot on here think it will never happen) will your plans and options change at all?
How would such a development (if granted) affect the council's stance on Newmarket?

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Quote: milopolly "As a supporter for going on 60 years even I find it difficult at times to 'keep faith' and look forward positively.
I think its not knowing as to whether or not we are to get anything at all out of the situation.
This is not meant to be negative , but as I see it ,enough to make considerable ground improvements, would not be failure on the part of those 'fighting the cause'.
Keep at it TRB, IA and others.'"


Same here which is why I support TRB and co.

It's not that I'm trying to crawl round him or think he's some kind of saint, heck I have my suspicions that he may even be a ginger!

But you have to admire them and IMHO no matter what your doubts these guys at the very least deserve the benefit.

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Quote: Tigerade "TRB - If Cas Tigers do get the go-ahead for the new site at Glasshoughton (I know alot on here think it will never happen) will your plans and options change at all?
How would such a development (if granted) affect the council's stance on Newmarket?'"


Interesting!

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What are we actually waiting for TRB it doesnt look like anything is going to come of the meeting its time to get rough now.
We have the worse sporting facilities in the country
Wakefield have a massive obesity problem one of the biggest in Europe
We are the biggest city in UK with not a top flight football team
We dont own our own ground the list is endless

WAITING FOR WHAT?

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Quote: newgroundb4cas "What are we actually waiting for TRB it doesnt look like anything is going to come of the meeting its time to get rough now.
We have the worse sporting facilities in the country
Wakefield have a massive obesity problem one of the biggest in Europe
We are the biggest city in UK with not a top flight football team
We dont own our own ground the list is endless

WAITING FOR WHAT?'"


Where on earth did you get obesity problem from?

I can tell you now Wakefield isn't even in the top 25 cities in the country for obesity levels let alone Europe, actually 49th on the list way behind the likes of Barnsley and Doncaster.

Do you just sit at your computer making things up?

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Quote: newgroundb4cas "What are we actually waiting for TRB it doesnt look like anything is going to come of the meeting its time to get rough now.
We have the worse sporting facilities in the country
Wakefield have a massive obesity problem one of the biggest in Europe
We are the biggest city in UK with not a top flight football team
We dont own our own ground the list is endless

WAITING FOR WHAT?'"


Nah - explained enough.

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As usual the people who are supposed to be representing the supporters have told us nothing. We are told we must be patient.I would be more likely to keep the faith if they told us exactly what happened at the meeting.These are not a state secrets. You haven't had to sign the official secrets act. In most meetings minutes are taken. If you have nothing to hide let us have them.

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Quote: newgroundb4cas "What are we actually waiting for TRB it doesnt look like anything is going to come of the meeting its time to get rough now.
We have the worse sporting facilities in the country No we don't
Wakefield have a massive obesity problem one of the biggest in Europe No it doesn't
We are the biggest city in UK with not a top flight football team No we're not
We dont own our own ground the list is endless neither do two thirds of SL

WAITING FOR WHAT?'"


Waiting patiently for some positive news, in the meantime feel free to make things up as you go along, one bit of positive news for you though Richard Owen scored twice on Sunday icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: chissitt "Waiting patiently for some positive news, in the meantime feel free to make things up as you go along, one bit of positive news for you though Richard Owen scored twice on Sunday
He's right about the football club

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Quote: ball-in-hand "As usual the people who are supposed to be representing the supporters have told us nothing. We are told we must be patient.I would be more likely to keep the faith if they told us exactly what happened at the meeting.These are not a state secrets. You haven't had to sign the official secrets act. In most meetings minutes are taken. If you have nothing to hide let us have them.'"

By all means offer your services assisting wherever you can and you'll get to be involved in said meetings.

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Quote: ball-in-hand "As usual the people who are supposed to be representing the supporters have told us nothing. We are told we must be patient.I would be more likely to keep the faith if they told us exactly what happened at the meeting.These are not a state secrets. You haven't had to sign the official secrets act. In most meetings minutes are taken. If you have nothing to hide let us have them.'"


Some of us have a sense of responsibility.

Playing the details out in public would not benefit us!

Believe us or not, that is / has been the truth!

I do not appreciate the suggestion that I have something to hide - this is not for my personal benefit! You do understand that, don't you?

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Quote: ball-in-hand "As usual the people who are supposed to be representing the supporters have told us nothing. We are told we must be patient.I would be more likely to keep the faith if they told us exactly what happened at the meeting.These are not a state secrets. You haven't had to sign the official secrets act. In most meetings minutes are taken. If you have nothing to hide let us have them.'"


I've resisted posting on this matter because whatever I say tends to lead to more questions, questions that we cannot answer on here because of the implications and the fact that it may be prejudicial to whatever actions may or may not occur.

If supporters have no faith in us and me personally then you know what to do. Come forward and replace us, I'll happily stand aside, but be prepared to give up many hours of your time, have lots of pain and anguish and sleepless nights and criticism from people on here, the choice is yours.

We have nothing to hide and we are working tirelessly to achieve something, be it a new stadium at Newmarket or a redeveloped Belle Vue that the citizens of Wakefield and supporters of Wakefield Trinity can be proud of.

As TRB said earlier, you can either trust us or not, its as simple as that.

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