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| I read that you're not allowed in groups of more than 6 spaced at 2m unless you're in a family bubble. Does that mean Wheldon Road will be allowed full capacity?
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| Quote: LG83 "I thought it was all there and ready to go according to minards. Now we’re still negotiating and prepared to walk away?'"
This was my fear. It seems we are again at the mercy of the developer who have already had one planning application pushed through at the site we were to have our stadium. It’s been months since we submitted planning and cast iron plans yet still nagotiating the funding despite most likely being well aware of the costs involved.
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| Quote: Willzay "I appreciate them taking the time out to do these, not many other clubs do, but the attitude regarding results is very concerning.'"
Ditto. Reminds me of Webster planning for the bottom 4 play-offs after regular round week 3!
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| Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "Reading the excellent minutes from HV it is clear that the air of defeat is in place throughout the club. We have those at the top whose sole ambition is to finish 11th because they believe money is the sole defining factor of a team’s capabilities. We the supporters of Wakefield over many years know that it is not just money but the team spirit which unfortunately Chester cannot install unlike many of his predecessors'"
Which in itself is not going to help expand our season ticket sales database or dampen the 'Chester out' army...
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| Quote: Mary Millington "Ditto. Reminds me of Webster planning for the bottom 4 play-offs after regular round week 3!'"
Yes, I remember that too. Personally, I think he should have gone then, but it was allowed to stagnate further into the season. So many parallels here.
If MC does feel like he's had enough, then although there would be uncertainty to begin with, maybe the change would do both parties the world of good here too, as well as coach
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| On the stadium funding - these projects are never simple. The technicalities of it are beyond my understanding and that probably goes for 99% of us on here. This last year has totally screwed the world up, everything is currently late.
The academy situation is worrying, if we lose academy status that’ll be very damaging.
My take on the tone last night - that was realism from MC & JM not defeatism. MC was off his head in the pre-season call when he started talking about too five. His own personal acknowledgement that he’s taken some elements of his role as far as he can were brave in that arena, but like he said without a rich backer with sustainable wealth chucking large money at us we will always struggle unless we have a season with some serious good fortune and get some luck with signings working out.
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| Quote: Travelling Wilbury "Yes, I remember that too. Personally, I think he should have gone then, but it was allowed to stagnate further into the season. So many parallels here.
If MC does feel like he's had enough, then although there would be uncertainty to begin with, maybe the change would do both parties the world of good here too, as well as coach'"
How many people are there queuing up to take over Trinity, or any other RL club. It’s well known and MC said it last night, “people don’t invest in RL clubs, because, it will never make money, the top six clubs all have a sugar daddy, the bottom six don’t*.
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| Quote: Dunkirk Spirit "How many people are there queuing up to take over Trinity, or any other RL club. It’s well known and MC said it last night, “people don’t invest in RL clubs, because, it will never make money, the top six clubs all have a sugar daddy, the bottom six don’t*.'"
Hull KR with Neil Hudgell bank rolling them......
Ken Davy at Shudds throwing cash around like no tomorrow......both have struggled over the years.......
It's quality of coaching that counts.
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| Quote: Mary Millington "Hull KR with Neil Hudgell bank rolling them......
Ken Davy at Shudds throwing cash around like no tomorrow......both have struggled over the years.......
It's quality of coaching that counts.'"
Wrong imho, it's both at best but mainly the players.
There was a time when coaches like Peter Fox could turn a team of nobodies into a champion team in a season but that no longer applies, it's fantasy. The way teams are trained and coached is generic now, there will be little or no difference between how say Powell runs Cas than the way Chester runs Trinity. If there is any skill left then it's in spotting the best players you can afford, something Chester did well to start with.
However, even that is finite and these days most of the best players belong to the five clubs who win everything and they do so because the players they have from 1 -17 are simply better and no amount of coaching will change that. If you think it will you are living in some 1970's fantasy land in my opinion.
All we can do is create a 20 man core who can at least challenge in most games, after that we struggle. All teams get injuries but there is no getting away from the fact that we suffer more than most when hit. People bang on about Bowes getting a run but I talk to a lot of people and outside of Trinity nobody has ever heard of him. This is not an Academy international, a certainty like say Daryl Clark was as a 19-year-old, we are talking a different class. Bowes may make it but now is simply not the time. Injuries to key players are killing us and not even Wayne Bennett could do anything about that!
Teams like us and Salford have good periods and bad periods, Salford is having a good one we are having a bad one. Clubs like HKR and Hudds have their moments but never truly threaten, Cas are an anomaly in that they have nearly always been up there despite not being especially wealthy, I put it down to them mainly signing bald players.
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| One of the interesting comments from Michael was that in the past he has made errors in agreeing signings, based on the noise coming from the fans. He didn't say which players obviously, but clearly felt that he had signed contracts with his heart rather than his head.
Also the one signing that apparently caused the biggest uproar is now the one that we're most desperate to keep -Westerman.
As has been said we, more than most, have to be confident that any signings and the length and value of contract is worth the money. It's not something we can afford to get wrong very often and Michael seemed to indicate that he thought we had done that a few times in recent years.
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| Quote: Fordy "One of the interesting comments from Michael was that in the past he has made errors in agreeing signings, based on the noise coming from the fans. He didn't say which players obviously, but clearly felt that he had signed contracts with his heart rather than his head.
Also the one signing that apparently caused the biggest uproar is now the one that we're most desperate to keep -Westerman.
As has been said we, more than most, have to be confident that any signings and the length and value of contract is worth the money. It's not something we can afford to get wrong very often and Michael seemed to indicate that he thought we had done that a few times in recent years.'"
For me, that is where the JK influence was paramount, that for me is where we miss JK. Tactically I don't think JK was a genius and his methods were probably dated but he couldn't half spot true potential often in the most unlikely places.
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| Quote: vastman "For me, that is where the JK influence was paramount, that for me is where we miss JK. Tactically I don't think JK was a genius and his methods were probably dated but he couldn't half spot true potential often in the most unlikely places.'"
Spot and was able to develop it too.
I'm glad he realises he needs to stop listening to fans on stuff like that. Feedback about stadium, by all means. Players.... No.
I remember being a very lone voice at Westerman's first game for us.
We need to keep players like him.
Same as Lyne. Same as BJB. Same to be honest as Grix. Plenty of fan opinion. They turned out to be players we miss or in Lyne's case players who prove people wrong over and over.
Obviously that only stands for everyone else. He should listen to me
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| Quote: PopTart "Spot and was able to develop it too.
I'm glad he realises he needs to stop listening to fans on stuff like that. Feedback about stadium, by all means. Players.... No.
I remember being a very lone voice at Westerman's first game for us.
We need to keep players like him.
Same as Lyne. Same as BJB. Same to be honest as Grix. Plenty of fan opinion. They turned out to be players we miss or in Lyne's case players who prove people wrong over and over.
Obviously that only stands for everyone else. He should listen to me
It's taken me years but one thing I'm absolutely certain of now is that these forums generate endless loads of crap, some of it my own. I wouldn't mind but time after time they are wrong. Every new signing is crap or a reject or too old, yet somehow we have managed to stay in SL on a Championship budget. If you listened to the 'fan' experts we would have signed virtually none of our best players. The most recent was Eddie Batty, nowhere near SL standard plodder, six weeks later the same experts were demanding we sign him full time. Never learn and never admit they were wrong.
I especially love the 'experts' who probably run an under 11's or once had a trial for Batley claim they know more than the incumbent coach. The coach who has daily contact with all players and staff and was also a top player himself, will someone tell me where this gift can be acquired?
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| The potential for no booze is the most worrying aspect for me. Imagine having to watch Trinity whilst sober.......
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| Quote: charlie "The potential for no booze is the most worrying aspect for me. Imagine having to watch Trinity whilst sober.......'"
I always have done, I used to smoke like a chimney but never drank. No judgement just doesn't do it for me.
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