On a side note, I'm not sure there is a more deluded fan base than Cas's at the minute. Last night, regardless of being a friendly and regardless of result that performance would be concerning to me, I actually came away thinking I'm not sure how to judge how good we were on the basis of how bad Cas were in there performance. Main take away for a lot of them is they still stick with we are 6 easy points during the season, I think they are in for a wake up call, they need to drag themselves out of the highs of 2017.

[quote="Big lads mate":v0dxlcrp]Hoy is a player that if it’s not going well he goes missing, Westerman as good as he has been is never a HB, the south sea islanders that they have will run through a brick wall but nothing between the lug oils, like you say never underestimate them but I’m sure we will be in a much better position this time around than before when we have met [/quote:v0dxlcrp] I agree. Westerman going back to the pack will help them but the other good players in the pack are simply muscle. Good muscle but no real skills I'm sure they'll improve but we should be looking to leave them behind now. They are not our competition. Leeds, Salford, Giants are the target for me.

I think it you look at their main forwards Watts, Westerman and Griffin they have a combined age of over 100! So they will not be something you can build on, injuries and bans will leave them with little in the engine room.

[quote="PopTart":2rdssd44]I agree. Westerman going back to the pack will help them but the other good players in the pack are simply muscle. Good muscle but no real skills I'm sure they'll improve but we should be looking to leave them behind now. They are not our competition. Leeds, Salford, Giants are the target for me.[/quote:2rdssd44] Exactly, agree totally

Are they deluded? Or do they know the predicament they’re in? Until they signed Judah Rimbu I was absolutely convinced they’d finish bottom. Now with him I think they have a chance of avoiding the wooden spoon, but that’s about as good as it gets. Zac Cini has potential to be the worst player to play in Super League, Asi is mercurial at best. I don’t know how Salford are going to end up, but I’d be astonished if we finish below Cas, Huddersfield and Hull.

[quote="Butcher":2tz433gw]Are they deluded? Or do they know the predicament they’re in? Until they signed Judah Rimbu I was absolutely convinced they’d finish bottom. Now with him I think they have a chance of avoiding the wooden spoon, but that’s about as good as it gets. Zac Cini has potential to be the worst player to play in Super League, Asi is mercurial at best. I don’t know how Salford are going to end up, but I’d be astonished if we finish below Cas, Huddersfield and Hull.[/quote:2tz433gw] I'm under no illusions how difficult we'll find things. I have a similar view as you regarding the signings Rimbu could be electric but is playing behind the worst pack in the league. Everything about Cini screams he'll be in the reserves by Easter. At best a maverick, at worst a potential liability. Asi will take time and is under immense pressure early doors without Milnes, we have no goalkicker whilst Milnes is out. Simbiken replaces Ellie El Zakem, who was on the main one of our better players last year but bizarrely we've done absolutely nothing to improve our dreadful pack. Bookies have us to finish last. Think a few people perhaps got carried away with a few pics of the squad running up hills at Roundhay park. Sam Wood made a good point in an interview saying there'll be weeks we'll just lose to a better team. That will be most weeks. Naturally I'm sure we will pinch some games at home.

[quote="Towns88":35a09uxc]I'm under no illusions how difficult we'll find things. I have a similar view as you regarding the signings Rimbu could be electric but is playing behind the worst pack in the league. Everything about Cini screams he'll be in the reserves by Easter. At best a maverick, at worst a potential liability. Asi will take time and is under immense pressure early doors without Milnes, we have no goalkicker whilst Milnes is out. Simbiken replaces Ellie El Zakem, who was on the main one of our better players last year but bizarrely we've done absolutely nothing to improve our dreadful pack. Bookies have us to finish last. Think a few people perhaps got carried away with a few pics of the squad running up hills at Roundhay park. Sam Wood made a good point in an interview saying there'll be weeks we'll just lose to a better team. That will be most weeks. Naturally I'm sure we will pinch some games at home.[/quote:35a09uxc] Simbiken looked an absolute liability last night.

[quote="Towns88":29my3svg]I'm under no illusions how difficult we'll find things. I have a similar view as you regarding the signings Rimbu could be electric but is playing behind the worst pack in the league. Everything about Cini screams he'll be in the reserves by Easter. At best a maverick, at worst a potential liability. Asi will take time and is under immense pressure early doors without Milnes, we have no goalkicker whilst Milnes is out. Simbiken replaces Ellie El Zakem, who was on the main one of our better players last year but bizarrely we've done absolutely nothing to improve our dreadful pack. Bookies have us to finish last. Think a few people perhaps got carried away with a few pics of the squad running up hills at Roundhay park. Sam Wood made a good point in an interview saying there'll be weeks we'll just lose to a better team. That will be most weeks. Naturally I'm sure we will pinch some games at home.[/quote:29my3svg] Looking at some of the kids that came McGuire might need to be brave and play a couple. Especially the halfback.

[quote="Towns88":di7ahzko]I'm under no illusions how difficult we'll find things. I have a similar view as you regarding the signings Rimbu could be electric but is playing behind the worst pack in the league. Everything about Cini screams he'll be in the reserves by Easter. At best a maverick, at worst a potential liability. Asi will take time and is under immense pressure early doors without Milnes, we have no goalkicker whilst Milnes is out. Simbiken replaces Ellie El Zakem, who was on the main one of our better players last year but bizarrely we've done absolutely nothing to improve our dreadful pack. Bookies have us to finish last. Think a few people perhaps got carried away with a few pics of the squad running up hills at Roundhay park. Sam Wood made a good point in an interview saying there'll be weeks we'll just lose to a better team. That will be most weeks. Naturally I'm sure we will pinch some games at home.[/quote:di7ahzko] Very gracious reply, fair play.

It would be interesting to hear what some of our more level headed Castleford posters thought of the changes and improvements to Belle Vue

[quote="Towns88":2a524il1]I'm under no illusions how difficult we'll find things. I have a similar view as you regarding the signings Rimbu could be electric but is playing behind the worst pack in the league. Everything about Cini screams he'll be in the reserves by Easter. At best a maverick, at worst a potential liability. Asi will take time and is under immense pressure early doors without Milnes, we have no goalkicker whilst Milnes is out. Simbiken replaces Ellie El Zakem, who was on the main one of our better players last year but bizarrely we've done absolutely nothing to improve our dreadful pack. Bookies have us to finish last. Think a few people perhaps got carried away with a few pics of the squad running up hills at Roundhay park. Sam Wood made a good point in an interview saying there'll be weeks we'll just lose to a better team. That will be most weeks. Naturally I'm sure we will pinch some games at home.[/quote:2a524il1] Well I've always wanted Trinity and Cas to push one another along at the top end of Super League in a way that Wigan and Saints do and the way the Rhinos and The Bulls did . I obviously want ourselves to come out on top every single time but that would be my wish for both our club's . There's no reason why that can't happen with the new owners we both have in my opinion .

[quote="BarnsleyTrinity":255rjqel]Well I've always wanted Trinity and Cas to push one another along at the top end of Super League in a way that Wigan and Saints do and the way the Rhinos and The Bulls did . I obviously want ourselves to come out on top every single time but that would be my wish for both our club's . There's no reason why that can't happen with the new owners we both have in my opinion .[/quote:255rjqel] I’m of the same stance really. I would like nothing more than trinity and Cas to be fighting it out at the top but would want us to be top dog. I don’t dislike them as a club unlike Leeds. There’s just a sense of entitlement about Leeds fans and preferential media treatment that belies their actual position.

[quote="BarnsleyTrinity":1ji49vv6]Well I've always wanted Trinity and Cas to push one another along at the top end of Super League in a way that Wigan and Saints do and the way the Rhinos and The Bulls did . I obviously want ourselves to come out on top every single time but that would be my wish for both our club's . There's no reason why that can't happen with the new owners we both have in my opinion .[/quote:1ji49vv6] The obvious difference being that our new owner can afford to splash his hard-earned squillions on our club whereas Cas' new owner is currently passing round the begging bowl asking for donations from wherever he can get them from

[quote="BarnsleyTrinity":1zgnni89]Well I've always wanted Trinity and Cas to push one another along at the top end of Super League in a way that Wigan and Saints do and the way the Rhinos and The Bulls did . I obviously want ourselves to come out on top every single time but that would be my wish for both our club's . There's no reason why that can't happen with the new owners we both have in my opinion .[/quote:1zgnni89] I'm the same. I don't mind them being a success. I just want us to be better.

No, no, no...I detest both Cas and the Whino's exactly the same...hope they both finish joint bottom of the table