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| The current regime could finally succeed in relegating the club from SL. We have been close many times but we have survived, this time I fear that this outcome is inevitable. We have relied on other club’s failing whilst we bump along with minimum expenditure and more shirt fillers signed on the cheap. The squad is now full of so many of these there is little we can do which will change things on the field.
I don’t expect any comment from the club regarding how the failures are to be addressed because they never have before.
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| Think some of the criticism of MC is unfair people need to remember he saved us from extinction.do we really want him to spend money we dont have and face liquidation again. Yes he made mistakes ie last year letting cc waste what momey we had due to believing he was here this year.but dont we all make mistakes.it is what it is it pains me to say we are getting relegated (it kills me as i love the club and some i love more could well and truley be affected)but it is what it is
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| Quote ="Trinhomeandaway"Absolutely correct it is down to the chairman to make sure the right people are in place at every level,there needs to be the full salary cap spend and again this is down to the chairman
[uDo you think if the chairman of Liverpool started buying 2nd rate players and not investing in the club he would still be chairman [/uor do you think that someone with the right skillset and ability would be brought in to enable this to happen.'"
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| Quote ="Roverman1"Trouble is these backers don't exist.'"
They do, we had one. Sadly his and his assistant made some poor calls, and their mathematics didn’t stack up.
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| I don't think turning on MC is the answer.
Yes, things are a mess right now, but we do still have time … let's just see what happens over the next few weeks.
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"Are they good enough though? The occasional good performance yes but the VAST majority of the time they have been proven on the whole not to be, thats why we keep being around the bottom just about scraping enough wins every year.
For me we have 6 'crown jewels', players who most other teams would like -
TJ
Fifita
Lino
Miller
Tanginoa
Lyne
TJ - totally agree although would like to see him on the pitch more!
Fifita - agree but we rely on him far too much
Lino - needs consistency
Miller - possesses all the skills, but frustrates me many a time not backing himself. If current rumours are true and he goes to Cas I bet you'll see a different Miller.
Tanginoa - a shadow of the huge potential he had. Very ordinary for me now.
Lyne - sorry but how does he get in the England squad? His defence is very good but I don't see the attacking flair often enough from him to make him one of our jewels let alone be an international squad member.
After that some very promising youngsters, who should be led by senior players but that bit isn't happening.
That's either coaching, the players aren't following the game plan OR they simply aren't good enough any more.
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| If you dont have the money to buy the best players, which we dont. Then you need to invest in a very good coach to get the absolute best from what you have. One with structure and a well drilled playbook of moves that even average players can perfect.
When Chester went, the option was there to go out and secure someone, but we chose to bring in no new ideas so we are still on the same downward spiral that we were on before only now the bottom is much nearer than it was.
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| Cannot agree with that boot being put into Carter, he and the other Directors do a cracking job of the day to day running of the club in the face of issues that other administrators don’t even have nightmares about.
The current situation on the field is exactly where I see the issue.
The tail has been wagging the dog for a while now and I personally believe it needed a strong personality to come in and take control of the club from the coaching side.
This doesn’t mean I think Willie is a poor coach, I don’t, but he comes across as a very laid back bloke and I’m not sure that is what the team needed at the point in time.
I’m still of the opinion we can survive however there needs to be some changes at all levels, not necessarily in personnel but mind set and attitude.
I think we have gone a little bit soft as a club and we need to toughen up and that starts at the top.
I’m confident IF we can stay up for the next 2 years this club can move up the table, but these next 2 seasons in my opinion are probably amongst the biggest in the clubs history.
As supporters we are obviously entitled to voice our opinions but I dearly hope most importantly we try to stay positive and stay loyal. It’s tough however the last thing we need is our support to fall away further.
If the “Together we are stronger” tag line was ever appropriate it’s now.
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| Quote ="1315trinity"
TJ You can't be a good player if you are never on the field
Miller Will flourish at Cas with a decent pack around him
Fafita on his day quality but his day is few and far between
Tanginoa Same as above
Lino Average at best
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"They do, we had one. Sadly his and his assistant made some poor calls, and their mathematics didn’t stack up.'"
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| Quote ="captaincaveman"If you dont have the money to buy the best players, which we dont. Then you need to invest in a very good coach to get the absolute best from what you have. One with structure and a well drilled playbook of moves that even average players can perfect.
When Chester went, the option was there to go out and secure someone, but we chose to bring in no new ideas so we are still on the same downward spiral that we were on before only now the bottom is much nearer than it was.'"
If you dont have the money the answer is to bring in the correct people who can bring in the investment needed
It is simple business sense
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| Quote ="Trinhomeandaway"If you dont have the money the answer is to bring in the correct people who can bring in the investment needed
It is simple business sense'"
I'll bet Mr Carter's kicking himself for not thinking that himself, there must be shed loads of investors out there just looking for a non return on their investments in this financial climate, just out of interest , do you know any such people?
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| Funny how Trinhomeandaway only pops up when there’s trouble.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I know everyone is upset about the game today and when this happens, people just fire at anything they can see.
But for me, the players we have are good enough and not performing. That is either coaching tactics or individual players.
We've seen them play better.'"
I honestly feel that age has caught up with the Trinity back rowers yet they persist in selecting Ashurst and Pitts. Batchelor and Tanginoa need to be given a sustained run with Whitbread at his natural position of 13. It’s the players not Carter…that and the club appear to be insufficiently financed hence ‘bargain basement’ buys all the time.
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| Quote ="asmadasa"I honestly feel that age has caught up with the Trinity back rowers yet they persist in selecting Ashurst and Pitts. Batchelor and Tanginoa need to be given a sustained run with Whitbread at his natural position of 13.'"
I agree with this.
Pitts and Ashurst are good safe pairs of hands who occasionally show up well but not often enough.
Batch and Tanginoa need to be given a chance of a few games to change things up.
I doubt after bringing in Butler there is any money left for another signing so we have to do something with what we have.
As Wayne Bennett says “if you do what you have always done, you will get what you always got”.
A back 3 in the pack of Batch, Tanginoa and Whitbread need to be given a run.
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| Quote ="Luppylad"Think some of the criticism of MC is unfair people need to remember he saved us from extinction.do we really want him to spend money we dont have and face liquidation again. Yes he made mistakes ie last year letting cc waste what momey we had due to believing he was here this year.but dont we all make mistakes.it is what it is it pains me to say we are getting relegated (it kills me as i love the club and some i love more could well and truley be affected)but it is what it is
It is, most comments I've read seem to be more constructive rcriticism rather than attacking, which there is no harm if its constructive rather than personal.
There has been a few sarcastic £1 comments I have seen, which to be fair had he have not made the tongue in cheek comment a couple of years back, wouldn't have happened. I think it has made some people question his commitment.
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| Quote ="Travelling Wilbury":1sx3p0sk
It is, most comments I've read seem to be more constructive rcriticism rather than attacking, which there is no harm if its constructive rather than personal.
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What's constructive about this?
Quote ="BIRDIEMAN":1sx3p0skMr Carter, what is next? It's not up to the coach but you, and the quality of players
you have signed are not super league material. It's all (if i could get six thousand supporters
I would be able to spend up to the salary cap). Defeat after defeat will not bring in the crowds.
In my opinion Mr Carter should put up or shut up before championship rugby is on the cards.
We all appreciate the work you have done but you are not moving us forward.'"
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| Quote ="chissitt"I'll bet Mr Carter's kicking himself for not thinking that himself, there must be shed loads of investors out there just looking for a non return on their investments in this financial climate, just out of interest , do you know any such people?'"
Indeed.
Let's be clear. They aren't investing, they are donating.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Indeed.
Let's be clear. They aren't investing, they are donating.'"
A genuine question do you know this to be true or just assuming.
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| Quote ="PopTart":ggdi8oj5What's constructive about this?
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What`s not constructive about it? Fair enough the "put up or shut up" is a bit far but in terms of the question, If not MC, then who should questions about the direction of our club be directed at?
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| Quote ="Wildcat26"
What`s not constructive about it? Fair enough the "put up or shut up" is a bit far but in terms of the question, If not MC, then who should questions about the direction of our club be directed at?'"
Constructive criticism isn't about asking questions. It is feedback that offers actionable recommendations.
This is simply pointing out an issue. He's entitled to do it but there is nothing constructive about it.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"A genuine question do you know this to be true or just assuming.'"
Genuine answer, as has been said above, there is no investment return on giving money to a rugby club.
Sponsoring something gets you advertising revenue, but someone putting money into the club like a Davey is not getting a return, therefore by definition they are donating money not investing money.
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| Quote ="chissitt"I'll bet Mr Carter's kicking himself for not thinking that himself, there must be shed loads of investors out there just looking for a non return on their investments in this financial climate, just out of interest , do you know any such people?'"
Well then he is obviously not the right man for the job !!
How many other buisnesses would allow the chairman to run the business like this ?
It's the role of the chairman to bring these people in it is as simple as that
Why on earth should I know any such people,I'm not in a position where I need to know these type of people,I wouldn't expect to be put in a position of authority in a proffesional sports club if I didn't have the contacts who could bring on this type of investment.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"A genuine question do you know this to be true or just assuming.'"
To be fair you could apply your post to most on here.
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