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In my opinion, we have got off lightly with this. There has been to many incidents at Belle Vue.
It is so sad that a few mindless morons grab all the headlines, that applies to any club.

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Quote: Willzay "Well then, what I want to know is, why haven't have Cas been fined for the crowd trouble two seasons back?
Congratulations that you still have recollections of 2 years ago the medication must be working. Perhaps an increase in the said medication would help you remember what really happened, if it doesn't then perhaps "go north" and multiply.

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Quote: hard team to follow "Because there was no trouble that is why we got no fine you are making it up.
Pretty sure when you came to our place in the Agar vs Millward era there was some crowd trouble and we took the flak. By the RFL's logic Cas should've been fined as they failed to "control" their fans. icon_rolleyes.gif

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Over 3 years ago (April 2012). Was your rabble that day as well as round 1 this year. As your crowds dwindle the idiots will stay away don't worry about that.

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So back to the point.....

No more sniping about Cas. They are nothing to do with this.
They have a thread if you want to talk to them.

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Back to the point. I would be interested to know how the club could have prevented this happening and I think its totally unfair to give us a fine for this.

The only way I could see a fine being fair was if it happened INSIDE our ground because that is the only place we have control.

Or we found out later who the culprits were and failed to take any action against them.

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Quote: snowie "seems like were looking to complain at everything'"


I think your missing the OP point here Stevie boy, Wakefield and even Cas who have been dragged into it, rightly or wrongly got fined for their fans' indiscretions, Warrington whose fans have been found guilty of the same thing we have been fined for have virtually been let off with a warning, it would not have made any difference to us if they'd been fined, but it would have shown that the RFL treat everybody the same, where as on the face of it there's obviously one law for some and another for others.

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I think it's called "having previous"

No complaints from me

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Iv'e watched Wakey for a couple of years now and For the life of me I can't remember the last time any of our fans threw flares or smoke bombs on the field at Belle Vue.

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Quote: Lambchops "I think it's called "having previous"

No complaints from me'"



I think you're right. We were under a suspended fine for crowd trouble at a couple of our games weren't we? So misbehaviour from our "fans" again was the cause of the fine for us I believe. I suspect Warrington were not under the same suspended fine situation therefore have been given a warning. I presume if it were to happen again they would suffer more severe consequences.

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Quote: chissitt "Iv'e watched Wakey for a couple of years now and For the life of me I can't remember the last time any of our fans threw flares or smoke bombs on the field at Belle Vue.'"

Is that because it hasn't happened or you have a bad memory?? icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Fordy "I think you're right. We were under a suspended fine for crowd trouble at a couple of our games weren't we? So misbehaviour from our "fans" again was the cause of the fine for us I believe. I suspect Warrington were not under the same suspended fine situation therefore have been given a warning. I presume if it were to happen again they would suffer more severe consequences.'"



I disagree with this bit Fordy.

I am a supporter and therefore a fan of the club. However the club do not own me or exercise any control over me whilst ever I am outside of the ground. If I decided to go to an away game and throw a flair how could the club be blamed for that ?

In fact what if I decided to go to a Leeds Wigan game for instance, stand with the Wigan fans and throw a flair, would it be OK to give the Wigan club a fine for that ?

Don't get me wrong the idiots that did this deserve all they get but the club can't be blamed for their actions unless it happens within our own ground.

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Quote: Lambchops "Is that because it hasn't happened or you have a bad memory??
Let's call it selective icon_wink.gif
Your right with your last post as well, but for me two entirely different types of crowd trouble and should be treated separately, the usual punch up is a result of either too much beer or a reaction to something happening on the field, where as anybody bringing flares/smoke bombs to a game do it purposely with one aim in mind, and the only thing spontaneous about their actions is the timing of letting it off, I'm not sure whether Warrington were at home to Widnes which if they were that makes it even more of a farce, where as we were at Cas and as far as I'm concerned the responsibility rested with their security, not that it excuses the idiotic Wakey fan, maybe the reason Warrington fans haven't had crowd trouble at home could be they haven't endured the frustrations with referees as some of us lesser clubs have icon_smile.gif

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Quote: jack in the box "I disagree with this bit Fordy.

I am a supporter and therefore a fan of the club. However the club do not own me or exercise any control over me whilst ever I am outside of the ground. If I decided to go to an away game and throw a flair how could the club be blamed for that ?

In fact what if I decided to go to a Leeds Wigan game for instance, stand with the Wigan fans and throw a flair, would it be OK to give the Wigan club a fine for that ?

Don't get me wrong the idiots that did this deserve all they get but the club can't be blamed for their actions unless it happens within our own ground.'"



I'm not saying it was right, just that was my opinion on why they had fined us and not Warrington.

I agree with what you are saying - the onus should be on the home club to control what folk bring into their ground. As far fetched as it sounds, there is no "guarantee" that it was a Wakey fan who did it. I was just stressing that I thought the RFL had made their decision based upon us having been collared for a couple of crowd control incidents within the previous 12/18 months and that they had placed us, as a club, on a warning.

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Quote: jack in the box "I disagree with this bit Fordy.

I am a supporter and therefore a fan of the club. However the club do not own me or exercise any control over me whilst ever I am outside of the ground. If I decided to go to an away game and throw a flair how could the club be blamed for that ?

In fact what if I decided to go to a Leeds Wigan game for instance, stand with the Wigan fans and throw a flair, would it be OK to give the Wigan club a fine for that ?

Don't get me wrong the idiots that did this deserve all they get but the club can't be blamed for their actions unless it happens within our own ground.'"


If you went to any ground and threw missiles (of any sort) onto the pitch and were not caught, then that club would be liable to some kind of sanction.
I don't think that the culprits were ever found out and therefore WTW cop the fine.
If it hadn't been for the trouble previously, at home vs Cas and then Widnes, probably it would have been a suspended fine.

Although it has been said before, there was and usually is, a complete lack of adequate stewarding at Cas and if there had been some intervention from them, maybe the culprits would have been found and ejected and maybe the punishment would be less.
However, lets not forget that the smoke bombs were thrown by Wakefield "fans" and I'm sure that they are suitably proud of themselves, although not proud enough to admit their actions and reimburse the club for their loss.

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