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| I've voted for giving it a go, however I'm not sure that the constant tinkering and trying new ideas is really the correct way to run a professional sport. Recent history suggests that it will be given insufficient time to see whether it could work before the next idea is thrown in.
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| Quote: King Street Cat "Willing to give it a try but not convinced the RFL have got 100% faith in their own decision. Could quite easily be pulled after 1 or 2 seasons given the RFL's track record.'"
Snap! - You just beat me to it
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| Undecided but I hope it works out for the best.
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| Undecided but willing to give it a go.
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| There are two in this house house that won't be getting a season ticket next year for the first time in god knows how many years.
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| Im out, had enough of that useless lump of lard ruining our game.
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| Quote: King Street Cat "Willing to give it a try but not convinced the RFL have got 100% faith in their own decision. Could quite easily be pulled after 1 or 2 seasons given the RFL's track record.'"
Call me a cynic but I don't think it will be long before they announce they like the three divisions of eight too much and stick with that for the full season.
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| I don't like it and would of preferred a 1 up 1 down protected in the first season for the promoted and parachute payment to the team relegated
think it will be devastating for the two that go down this season and finically ruin the game in general but hey ho Nige knows best
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| I would've preferred one up one down, but I let's see how it works out. At this stage I don't really understand how this kind of announcement leads to some folk deciding they're not going to watch their team anymore.
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| IMO the worst performing team in any league sport should be replaced by the best performing over a season of home and away matches. How could it be possible for a team to finish 9th, just outside the play offs possibly on points difference, and be relegated. I'll still go of course, I could never walk away from the team I love but I see us becoming more of a laughing stock sport if it doesn't take off rather than the growth that we all want to see.
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| Ideally, 1 up 1 down (or 2) would be fine, but RL is far from ideal.
The gulf in finances between the top 2 tiers is such that even a dominant side from the KPC couldn't compete in SL without wholesale changes, which become a financial gamble on staying up.
Likewise, the relegated team take a big financial gamble on keeping their team together, & full-time, to ensure being promoted again the following year (ala Cas X 2).
The new system will reduce that 'all or nothing' mentality. You will have to develop a team in the second tier which is competitive with the bottom end of the top tier in order to be given a chance. If you fail, you know how far you are from the required standard and you can build again the following year.
The SL play-offs will be top 4 only, so finishing 9th means you are 5 places short and very unlikely to make it. Also, if you finished 9th, you have been better than all the other teams in the middle 8 over 23 games. This makes it highly unlikely you will finish 5th or lower in that group. Even if you did finish 5th you would get a second bite of the cherry in a one-off game.
Only the bottom team of SL, if they are particularly weak, are under any real threat of demotion. The purpose of 4 SL teams in the middle 8 is to set the minimum standard for promotion to the top 12.
The criteria for playing in the top tier are difficult to achieve, but clear and decided on the field of play. To achieve that standard will, of course, require a well run business behind it, but that remains in the background rather than the be all and end all as it was with Franchising.
The fundamental problem with British RL is still that we don't have enough money to run a full-time professional league. This is compounded by the fact that to attract, or keep, top-level players we have to compete with the NRL and RU, who do have the money.
Franchising meant that any new team would,realistically, have to start at the top. The profile of the sport is not big enough for anyone with enough cash to even consider taking that gamble. The new format means that there is a system in place to reach those standards at a pace which matches the ambitions and finances of the club. Hope is what makes sport tick.
I lived in South Wales in the 90s when Cardiff & Swansea were both struggling along in the 4th division in dilapidated stadiums. Now they're both in the premiership. Do you think that would have happened if the premiership had been a closed-shop franchise system? Would the money backers suddenly decide to invest enough money to buy a franchise?
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| Not against the idea - something had to change though.
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| Quote: Emley Cat "How could it be possible for a team to finish 9th, just outside the play offs possibly on points difference, and be relegated.'"
This is the one baffling me. It only takes a couple of injuries to key players too, we've seen that over the years. Imagine trying to explain to someone that a team who finished 9th in a league of 14 got relegated at the end of the season. It may happen, it probably will happen.
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| Quote: King Street Cat "This is the one baffling me. It only takes a couple of injuries to key players too, we've seen that over the years. Imagine trying to explain to someone that a team who finished 9th in a league of 14 got relegated at the end of the season. It may happen, it probably will happen.'"
That isn't how it works though
In the league of 14, 13 and 14 are relegated
The year after in the league of 12, 9th is taken to a pool of 7 others below them to play 7 more games to find the finishing position. If they are still 9th then no problem. If they lose their games they are in danger. But that is the same if after a 2/3 of the season the 9th place team lost the rest of their games anyway.
Same applies to 8th. That is only 2/3rds through the season. If they are still 8th after the next 7 games they are not in the playoff for the grand final
So the thing about finishing 8th and 9th seperated by points difference possible going to Grand final and relegated is not in fact the case.
In the new system, that is only part way through the season.
A better way of seeing it for me is, after 30 rounds you have 16 teams in order. The bottom 4 will be relegated, the top four will play off for GF
I think once it is under way, people will be happy with it as it is complicated in theory but when you have the teams in the league to use as examples it isn't quite as hard.
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| Think something had to be done to give hope to those outside the closed shop.
Quite like the format.
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