No mate, not arguing with you, broadly agree on this one (though not so much some of your other posts), but they always seem to come from somewhere. Also if we were having a pint you'd happily sit for half an hour debating this one with me, it just seems different on here for some reason, and heck I might even win you round or the other way around.

Just watched that Saints Cup game clip, wonder how many of those fans no longer watch other than the ones who will have departed this earth. Most I would imagine gave in years ago.

We've always been able to attract new fans and retain the diehards - what we have not been able to do is keep those who want a little bit more, success, the inbetweeners I'll call them.

Yes we do still sell them. I see an short old chap walking round selling them. He shouts, 'get your programmes here, team sheets included' I have only seen him on the West tho

Maybe there's no call for them now if people just buy a season ticket and never turn up to a game, fwiw I enter the ground through the cemetery and see them selling them on the corner opposite the back of the Con club, useless imfo for the non attenders

Comes round seats as well

POP!

I thought putting the word "fans" in inverted commas was unnecessary, because it was clearly a dig at those who moan about squad quality. I understand his frustrations but those "fans" buy tickets and merchandise. A waiter doesn't have to like the diner. They just have to pretend they do to get the repeat business.

Other than that, a good honest appraisal of where we are.

Well we’ve kept the majority of the better overseas players and I think all of the non quota that we feel can be a decent squad player at worst next season.

Certainly dont need a complete overhaul that most newly promoted clubs do - Fev for example have a lot of experienced players that would need replacing

Certainly more optimistic than previous seasons, should we get promoted

I saw yer on the telly at St Helens today

Exactly this. The press release was spot on until that. I don't want us to lose more any more fans as a club or put people off attending who might not have been and I just think little things like that do have an impact and it can be easily controlled by not being daft. It's nit picking to an extent but it was such an easy thing to not do.

Christ. Just looked at the table. How easily could we of been competing for the top 6 with 3/4 games we lost that we shouldn’t of. Scary

Very frustrating and MC makes a point about it in this release. If only the players had pulled their finger out earlier who knows where we could have ended up!

We look like two completely different sides from early in the season, seems to be a running theme with us these last few years unfortunately.

Some of what you say applies but I think Willie Poching has had a change of direction as well. It's very notable -that some fringe and younger players have been used in recent games and they've let no-one down.
Perhaps some of these players in their own positions should have been tried sooner. Anyway it's good to see we do have strength in depth after all.