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| Quote: Slugger McBatt "Suggesting that "questioning very strongly" whether something is infectious is different to saying it isn't infectious is, ironically, a smokescreen, as it is very much saying, "infectious - I doubt that". The overwhelming evidence is that is that is infectious. If you don't accept that as a proven fact, your views on everything else can be viewed in that context.
Again, you get your wires wrong when you talk about a reset.
For the reset to work, it has to be by design, which means that it is a thought out plan, which means it requires a highly infectious disease for it to work, which means you are wrong to question strongly the whole basis of the reset.
If, however, the major capitalist nations are having to rethink their economies because of an unplanned, highly infectious pandemic, that is common sense. The countries are in economic turmoil with mounting debts. Of course they'll have a rethink of how they do things. They've no choice.
But generally, you're putting things the wrong way round.
The questions are
You say:
“Although the authorities haven't counted on a bloke from Wakefield with an internet connection....”.
And I reply:
Ah, sarcasm, cant help yourself can you.
No, we can't have ordinary folk questioning the powers that be can we?
What next, deny ordinary folk the vote?
There are many people in this world who started out as “ordinary” but did that stop them trying to make a change, and hell of a lot of them did.
I won't mention any because I'll get the usual snipers dropping in pontificating “Geez, he's comparing himself to.................................fill in the blank.
I'll get back to you, your not off the hook yet. 
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| Quote: Miro "Do you remember, or did you not read my opening statement. I shall re produce it.
" I would be very interested if they could pick the bones out of this. Way above my head obviously but I have given here a start for anyone interested, those two in particular.
Is that not fair enough?
Did I say anywhere that it was truth? I offered it up so that our learned friends on here Poptart /wrencat/RWB/ etc. could maybe clarify it for me. I can't say fairer than that, can I?
But again, dig out some apparent "conspiracy theorists" I know nothing about, attach them to my post, or in answer to my post and BINGO you get 3 likes from three folk who cannot be ![]()
Are you now saying that only people with guns are dangerous and that a virus that could kill you isn't. ?
You clearly have too much time on your hands or, perhaps you are part of a group that doles out the kind of stuff that you have been posting on here.
Many pages back you said that you didn't know anyone who had the virus or anyone that had died of it.
Well your a lucky man indeed.
If/when you are unfortunate enough to know someone.who has lost their life due to the virus, perhaps your view will change.
Until then, keep copying and pasting, it clearly makes you feel better.
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Quote: Slugger McBatt "Suggesting that "questioning very strongly" whether something is infectious is different to saying it isn't infectious is, ironically, a smokescreen, as it is very much saying, "infectious - I doubt that". The overwhelming evidence is that is that is infectious. If you don't accept that as a proven fact, your views on everything else can be viewed in that context.
Again, you get your wires wrong when you talk about a reset.
For the reset to work, it has to be by design, which means that it is a thought out plan, which means it requires a highly infectious disease for it to work, which means you are wrong to question strongly the whole basis of the reset.
If, however, the major capitalist nations are having to rethink their economies because of an unplanned, highly infectious pandemic, that is common sense. The countries are in economic turmoil with mounting debts. Of course they'll have a rethink of how they do things. They've no choice.
But generally, you're putting things the wrong way round.
The questions are
You sayI may have questioned it very strongly” Indicating that I have come to a decision since. You, looking at your criticism of me for doing so appear, on the other hand not to have questioned it. Very bad form there Slugger, question everything is my advice.
Therefore, in light of the above your comment “. If you don't accept that as a proven fact, your views on everything else can be viewed in that context. “ Is without foundation.
You say:
“For the reset to work, it has to be by design, which means that it is a thought out plan, which means it requires a highly infectious disease for it to work, which means you are wrong to question strongly the whole basis of the reset. “
I shall give you a highly infectious disease, it's influenza..Now Corona flu comes in many forms but nevertheless it's out there, always will be, and can be used by any powerful group for it's own ends. They can even call it a fancy name should they choose and have Gates paid scientists to give it one. Granted, that's a very simplistic explanation but you will have to go back in the thread to see an elaboration.
And as you indicate, you probably haven't questioned it yourself, you being an ordinary bloke from “over there” I mean, how dare you?
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/viruses/types.htm
You ask: “Was it a pre determined plan?”
Well, it was certainly planned at least as far back as October 2019. But wait, was it an exercise ? The plan I mean. That's the million dollar question. Can you answer the question? I do mean answer it, not “well it probably was”
No, the actual answer.
Now, you may say “well how do you know then”
But first things first. Your answer please.
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Quote: Slugger McBatt "Suggesting that "questioning very strongly" whether something is infectious is different to saying it isn't infectious is, ironically, a smokescreen, as it is very much saying, "infectious - I doubt that". The overwhelming evidence is that is that is infectious. If you don't accept that as a proven fact, your views on everything else can be viewed in that context.
Again, you get your wires wrong when you talk about a reset.
For the reset to work, it has to be by design, which means that it is a thought out plan, which means it requires a highly infectious disease for it to work, which means you are wrong to question strongly the whole basis of the reset.
If, however, the major capitalist nations are having to rethink their economies because of an unplanned, highly infectious pandemic, that is common sense. The countries are in economic turmoil with mounting debts. Of course they'll have a rethink of how they do things. They've no choice.
But generally, you're putting things the wrong way round.
The questions are
You sayI may have questioned it very strongly” Indicating that I have come to a decision since. You, looking at your criticism of me for doing so appear, on the other hand not to have questioned it. Very bad form there Slugger, question everything is my advice.
Therefore, in light of the above your comment “. If you don't accept that as a proven fact, your views on everything else can be viewed in that context. “ Is without foundation.
You say:
“For the reset to work, it has to be by design, which means that it is a thought out plan, which means it requires a highly infectious disease for it to work, which means you are wrong to question strongly the whole basis of the reset. “
I shall give you a highly infectious disease, it's influenza..Now Corona flu comes in many forms but nevertheless it's out there, always will be, and can be used by any powerful group for it's own ends. They can even call it a fancy name should they choose and have Gates paid scientists to give it one. Granted, that's a very simplistic explanation but you will have to go back in the thread to see an elaboration.
And as you indicate, you probably haven't questioned it yourself, you being an ordinary bloke from “over there” I mean, how dare you?
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/viruses/types.htm
You ask: “Was it a pre determined plan?”
Well, it was certainly planned at least as far back as October 2019. But wait, was it an exercise ? The plan I mean. That's the million dollar question. Can you answer the question? I do mean answer it, not “well it probably was”
No, the actual answer.
Now, you may say “well how do you know then”
But first things first. Your answer please.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Are you now saying that only people with guns are dangerous and that a virus that could kill you isn't. ?
You clearly have too much time on your hands or, perhaps you are part of a group that doles out the kind of stuff that you have been posting on here.
Many pages back you said that you didn't know anyone who had the virus or anyone that had died of it.
Well your a lucky man indeed.
If/when you are unfortunate enough to know someone.who has lost their life due to the virus, perhaps your view will change.
Until then, keep copying and pasting, it clearly makes you feel better.'"
Yes, I have time on my hands today 
You ask:
"Are you now saying that only people with guns are dangerous and that a virus that could kill you isn't. ?"
No, we are talking people debating using words, not even threats. That is rather different to a guy online threatening to come around and shoot you with a gun.
So I'm just lucky am I? And most of the people I meet, are they just lucky too?
And all those people online who say the same, are they just lucky?
Maybe myself and all the folk I meet are part of the 99.9% Not surprising we know no one.
Sorry, I can't change that. It's just fact not a viewpoint in any shape or form.
The .1% and their families have my sympathy, of course they do. But even they would be happy that no one in my acquaintance have died. You on the other hand appear to resent that. Strange.
Disclaimer...the above was not copied and pasted.
In future wrencat, any evidence, good or bad, I come across I shall re type it all. Now, I would need "time on my hands". | | | |
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| Quote: Miro "Yes, I have time on my hands today ![]()
I dont resent that you are lucky enough not to know anyone suffering or that has died of covid.
I merely suggested that your view on the virus would be somewhat different if you were in my position or, those of others who have been less fortunate than yourself.
Right now you are indeed fortunate and I genuinely hope this remains the same but, your constant crap about the effects of covid, I personally find them to be disrespectful and distasteful but, as I say, keep copying and pasting. 
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| Quote: coco the fullback "If the government want to instil a level of panic into the population in order to get across the seriousness of the situation, then that's their choice. '"
Wouldn't that be considered a form of domestic abuse?
Quote: coco the fullback "
PCR tests are, as any other diagnostic test, not 100% accurate, but they are pretty good. I have written on here before about mathematical quirks of this and truly random testing meaning that more than half of those who receive a positive result would actually not have the virus. It is very much dependent on prevalence of the virus in the community. A doctor's diagnosis is usually based on a balance of probabilities, based on all the facts and data available. [b]If you have symptoms similar to those experiencing covid-19 and have been in contact with someone with the virus and have a positive test (or more than one) they can say with near 100% certainty that you have the virus].'"
My other problem with the narrative is this constant use of the term "cases".
Cases based on the PCR test result in general mean nothing to me, even Matt Hancock admitted last month the proportion of people asking for tests who have no symptoms was 25%. But it appears Hancock has full faith in the PCR test "[iThe UK government has drawn up plans to carry out up to 10 million covid-19 tests a day by early next year as part of a huge £100bn (€110bn; $130bn) expansion of its national testing programme, documents seen by The BMJ show."[/i
I'm sure the more you test, the more positive results you will find. Is this planned policy to instill more panic in us? Do they expect millions of us a day to have symptoms next year? Or will we need a test to leave our house even if we don't have symptoms, it would be cheaper for us to just flip a coin instead.
It's about time they stopped using these results to peddle the 'R rate' (made up by modellers) and started talking about the only figure that actually matters the 'H rate' - number of hospital beds available in each region. But then again, is it that the facts around hospitals would not suit their agenda? Just a thought.
As for testing those with symptoms, here lies the problem. On the s for Disease Control and Prevention website
[iPeople with these symptoms may have COVID-19This list does not include all possible symptoms.[/i
I'm sure all those symptoms could relate to many other diseases or illnesses i.e. common cold anyone, feeling under the weather?
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| Quote: coco the fullback "Thanks for that. An excellent way to illustrate exactly what I'm getting at.
The journal you quote was published in June 2020 by CDC, the research appears to have been carried out on a very early US case of the virus (January 2020). They were investigating the nature of the SARS-CoV-2 including sequencing the whole genome. They were looking at which types of cell support amplification and replication of SARS-CoV-2 and which ones don't. They published their findings so that others could use the information in further studies.
A quote"These results are consistent with previous susceptibility findings for SARS-CoV and suggest other common culture systems, including MDCK, HeLa, HEP-2, MRC-5 cells, and embryonated eggs, are unlikely to support SARS-CoV-2 replication (20–22). In addition, SARS-CoV-2 did not replicate in bat EFK3B cells, which are susceptible to MERS-CoV. Together, the results indicate that SARS-CoV-2 maintains a similar profile to SARS-CoV in terms of susceptible cell lines."[/i
Unfortunately, this section seems not to have been picked up. Some fine quote mining and cherry-picking then took place and popped up in an assorted number places on the internet:
That’s his a*rse handed to him on a plate.
Great post. 
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "I dont resent that you are lucky enough not to know anyone suffering or that has died of covid.
I merely suggested that your view on the virus would be somewhat different if you were in my position or, those of others who have been less fortunate than yourself.
Right now you are indeed fortunate and I genuinely hope this remains the same but, your constant crap about the effects of covid, I personally find them to be disrespectful and distasteful but, as I say, keep copying and pasting. ![]()
Wonderful post BB, and your first one too. Very impressed with your deep insight into all aspects of this long running argument. Amazing how you dissected all the information contained in the post and presented them on the forum so articulately.
Well done too on creating an account in order to express your deep feelings on the subject so eloquently.
For or against I look forward to reading your fascinating analyses in future posts. 
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| Quote: MatthewTrin "Wouldn't that be considered a form of domestic abuse?
My other problem with the narrative is this constant use of the term "cases".
Cases based on the PCR test result in general mean nothing to me, even Matt Hancock admitted last month the proportion of people asking for tests who have no symptoms was 25%. But it appears Hancock has full faith in the PCR test "[iThe UK government has drawn up plans to carry out up to 10 million covid-19 tests a day by early next year as part of a huge £100bn (€110bn; $130bn) expansion of its national testing programme, documents seen by The BMJ show."[/i
I'm sure the more you test, the more positive results you will find. Is this planned policy to instill more panic in us? Do they expect millions of us a day to have symptoms next year? Or will we need a test to leave our house even if we don't have symptoms, it would be cheaper for us to just flip a coin instead.
It's about time they stopped using these results to peddle the 'R rate' (made up by modellers) and started talking about the only figure that actually matters the 'H rate' - number of hospital beds available in each region. But then again, is it that the facts around hospitals would not suit their agenda? Just a thought.
As for testing those with symptoms, here lies the problem. On the centres for Disease Control and Prevention website
[iPeople with these symptoms may have COVID-19This list does not include all possible symptoms.[/i
I'm sure all those symptoms could relate to many other diseases or illnesses i.e. common cold anyone, feeling under the weather?
"100% certainty they say", really?'"
Wouldn't that be considered a form of domestic abuse?
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| Quote: Miro "Wonderful post BB, and your first one too. Very impressed with your deep insight into all aspects of this long running argument. Amazing how you dissected all the information contained in the post and presented them on the forum so articulately.
Well done too on creating an account in order to express your deep feelings on the subject so eloquently.
For or against I look forward to reading your fascinating analyses in future posts. ![]()
I don’t and never will debate with people who’ve allowed themselves to be brainwashed. Utterly pointless.
Please carry on embarrassing yourself. 
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| Quote: Billy Butcher "I don’t and never will debate with people who’ve allowed themselves to be brainwashed. Utterly pointless.
I don't blame you. However, I am here should you wish to debate.
I must warn you though I haven't been brainwashed into carrying hand sanitizer, , wearing a mask, wearing a visor, keeping 2 metres from fellow human beings, restricting my gatherings to 6 or less, clapping in the street every thursday, painting rainbows, queuing in the street, not hugging, not shaking hands, not kissing, Hanging onto Matt and Boris's every word, watching rugby played in empty stadiums, following arrows, keeping to one way systems, quarantining, using the word "bubble" , staying home, staying safe, plastering posters all around my premises, erecting screens, painting arrows, instructing clients where to stand or sit, etc. etc.etc. etc.etc. etc.etc. etc.etc. etc.
Apart from all that, yeah, I think might have been brainwashed 
Please note, the list may added to
For wrencat, I copied and pasted all those etc. etc.etc. etc.etc. etc.etc. etc.etc. etc.'s 
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And in further news, news you may or may not see on the BBC.
Here we have some copy and pasting wrencat of reports doing the rounds .And to think of the crap I've faced on here for advocating the uselessness of the lockdowns. But Hey Ho.
The World Health Organization (WHO) announced Sunday that it no longer recommends economic lockdowns to fight the novel coronavirus, effectively reversing its position.
The WHO has never acknowledged a change in policy on the subject, but its envoy now says that complete economic lockdowns, like the kind occasionally proposed by American lawmakers unsatisfied with the pandemic’s trajectory in the United States, have dire economic consequences and could be responsible for increasing poverty.
“Lockdowns just have one consequence that you must never ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer,” Dr. Nabarro remarked, noting that lockdowns don’t simply affect domestic economic production, but also tourism and global trade.
Earlier this week, thousands of medical health experts signed their names to a petition calling for the end of coronavirus lockdowns, citing the “irreparable damage” they’ve caused.
"As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists, we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection,” read the petition, known as the Great Barrington Declaration. "Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health."
In the United States, lockdowns have been tied to increased thoughts of suicide from children, a surge in drug overdoses, an uptick in domestic violence, and a study conducted in May concluded that stress and anxiety from lockdowns could destroy seven times the years of life that lockdowns potentially save.
https://t.co/XLdaedsKVS #SpectatorTV @afneil | @davidnabarro pic.twitter.com/1M4xf3VnXQ
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medica ... r-BB19TBUo
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavir ... 7731c3da74 |
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And in further news, news you may or may not see on the BBC.
Here we have some copy and pasting wrencat of reports doing the rounds .And to think of the crap I've faced on here for advocating the uselessness of the lockdowns. But Hey Ho.
The World Health Organization (WHO) announced Sunday that it no longer recommends economic lockdowns to fight the novel coronavirus, effectively reversing its position.
The WHO has never acknowledged a change in policy on the subject, but its envoy now says that complete economic lockdowns, like the kind occasionally proposed by American lawmakers unsatisfied with the pandemic’s trajectory in the United States, have dire economic consequences and could be responsible for increasing poverty.
“Lockdowns just have one consequence that you must never ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer,” Dr. Nabarro remarked, noting that lockdowns don’t simply affect domestic economic production, but also tourism and global trade.
Earlier this week, thousands of medical health experts signed their names to a petition calling for the end of coronavirus lockdowns, citing the “irreparable damage” they’ve caused.
"As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists, we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection,” read the petition, known as the Great Barrington Declaration. "Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health."
In the United States, lockdowns have been tied to increased thoughts of suicide from children, a surge in drug overdoses, an uptick in domestic violence, and a study conducted in May concluded that stress and anxiety from lockdowns could destroy seven times the years of life that lockdowns potentially save.
https://t.co/XLdaedsKVS #SpectatorTV @afneil | @davidnabarro pic.twitter.com/1M4xf3VnXQ
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medica ... r-BB19TBUo
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavir ... 7731c3da74 | |
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| Quote: Miro "I don't blame you. However, I am here should you wish to debate.
I must warn you though I haven't been brainwashed into carrying hand sanitizer, , wearing a mask, wearing a visor, keeping 2 metres from fellow human beings, restricting my gatherings to 6 or less, clapping in the street every thursday, painting rainbows, queuing in the street, not hugging, not shaking hands, not kissing, Hanging onto Matt and Boris's every word, watching rugby played in empty stadiums, following arrows, keeping to one way systems, quarantining, using the word "bubble" , staying home, staying safe, plastering posters all around my premises, erecting screens, painting arrows, instructing clients where to stand or sit, etc. etc.etc. etc.etc. etc.etc. etc.etc. etc.
Apart from all that, yeah, I think might have been brainwashed ![]()
I don't recall making a comment on this thread before now but I realise I must have because every time a post is made it flags up in the corner of my screen, maybe I might have made a teeny one earlier when a simplistic view was all it took instead of a page and a half lecture on things we don't really need to know, however I digress I can remember you in the late fifties and the early part of the sixties when armed with your sandwich board planted firmly on your shoulders along with your banner revealing that the world is nigh used to walk up and down Kirkgate to as far as the ground at Bellevue peddling your beliefs, and I say that without a hint of sarcasm, and it leads me to think that it must be so much easier for you now with the social media outlets available that you can now reach out to thousands upon thousands of people to instill your beliefs on, good old days don't apply here
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| Quote: little wayne69 "I don't recall making a comment on this thread before now but I realise I must have because every time a post is made it flags up in the corner of my screen, maybe I might have made a teeny one earlier when a simplistic view was all it took instead of a page and a half lecture on things we don't really need to know, however I digress I can remember you in the late fifties and the early part of the sixties when armed with your sandwich board planted firmly on your shoulders along with your banner revealing that the world is nigh used to walk up and down Kirkgate to as far as the ground at Bellevue peddling your beliefs, and I say that without a hint of sarcasm, and it leads me to think that it must be so much easier for you now with the social media outlets available that you can now reach out to thousands upon thousands of people to instill your beliefs on, good old days don't apply here ![]()
Well, seeing as the world was on the brink of nuclear war back then what did you expect on my sandwich board.
And yes, it is much easier nowadays, those gabadeen macks could get awfully wet and smelly during a Belle Vue winter.
Thankfully Mr Khrushchev, on a visit to Trinty, saw my sandwich board, went home, had a think, and the whole thing was called off.
The best one was the sandwich board of 1938. "HITLER MUST BE STOPPED."
Thankfully Mr Churchill was taking in Trin v Fev, saw my board and the rest is history
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"lecture on things we don't really need to know"
16.525 views, some may disagree with you. But your objections have been noted.
Sorry 16,584 views.
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