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Quote: Starbug "So you were on the brink of extinction, then Mr Glover has tipped a shed load of cash in, but cant continue, so you are back on the brink again, so his fault he isnt rich enough for you?

How much do you want somebody else to subsidise your ticket for?'"

What is your estimate then of the amount of money Glover put in?

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500k+ and he wants it all back? Causing all the problems?
And not prepared to put anymore in or lose anything else?
Carter is his henchman to make sure he gets it!

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Quote: Starbug "So you were on the brink of extinction, then Mr Glover has tipped a shed load of cash in, but cant continue, so you are back on the brink again, so his fault he isnt rich enough for you?

How much do you want somebody else to subsidise your ticket for?'"


Don't remember asking him for a cheap ticket starbug.
Don't be fooled onto thinking you understand what's gone on at this club, you clearly don't mate.

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Quote: Starbug "It gives me no pleasure to say, " I did tell you so " , when Mr Glover ( utmost respect for him being willing to try ) took over and you were all repeating the often heard " he is a successful businessman, he'll know what to do "

Running a proffessional sports club is like running no other business, it is essentially designed to lose money, look at football with Chelsea and Man City, both viewed as successful when in fact they are both just huge charities, heamoraging money at ridiculous rates

It is said that doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is a sure sign of insanity, and yet that is exactly what ' Successful Businessmen ' do time and time again

The solution? , not sure, but it certainly doesnt just require a new shiny stadium, or messing about with ST prices

Either way, all the best, and that night at Leigh last year was awesome, I was there sat with you to witness it, I hope you get more nights like that soon again'"


I've got to agree with you on this one Starbug. Running a SL club on essentially a loss making business (made even more so with bad management). In it's current format the majority of clubs are always going to lose money over the long term. It's the big pink Elephant in the room that no one wants to debate in the game. It's seem they are happier believe in wild speculative business plans than cold hard numbers. Who ever comes up next in reality will need a good half Million in cash to cover any potential losses.

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Quote: Topcat13 "500k+ and he wants it all back? Causing all the problems?
And not prepared to put anymore in or lose anything else?
Carter is his henchman to make sure he gets it!'"


Makes you wonder doesn't it. Lets hope he can convince us and the wider fan base thats not the case.

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Quote: wakeytrin "What is your estimate then of the amount of money Glover put in?'"


I'd suggest 80 quid per season ticket sold last season, possibly the same again this year, plus the costs of your roofs

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Quote: El Rey "Don't remember asking him for a cheap ticket starbug.
Don't be fooled onto thinking you understand what's gone on at this club, you clearly don't mate.'"


If not, enlighten me, in simple terms

As a business, any director contributions are essentially tickets subsidies

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: deeHell "I've got to agree with you on this one Starbug. Running a SL club on essentially a loss making business (made even more so with bad management). In it's current format the majority of clubs are always going to lose money over the long term. It's the big pink Elephant in the room that no one wants to debate in the game. It's seem they are happier believe in wild speculative business plans than cold hard numbers. Who ever comes up next in reality will need a good half Million in cash to cover any potential losses.'"


As I said, I remember the successful businesman quote posted umpteen times , maybe whoever next gets the ' Gig ' will seak advice from those that have tried and failed at running a club, rather than thinking because they have been fortunate to make a few quid, they know it all

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Here's Starbug again - he's like one of those distant cousins who only turns up when someone dies.

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Quote: El Rey "Personally i'd like to thank him for putting us on the brink of extinction in a matter of 18 months.


Disgusting is a word i've heard none paid suppliers use, still who cares about the reputation of this once great club in the city of Wakefield.

Garbage is how many fans feel they've been treated under AG.

For All Teds faults he's worth 3 Glovers.'"


There are no scapegoats, no-one is to blame, we must look forward. Just like in 2001, and 2010.

Never look back.

The lesson: don't hold Chairman/owners up as some kind of idol.

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Quote: Starbug "I'd suggest 80 quid per season ticket sold last season, possibly the same again this year, plus the costs of your roofs'"

I'd suggest that's half of what Jack Fulton puts into Cas, and we've never been relegated (yet!)
Either way as Al suggests I think you are out of your comfort zone.

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Quote: Topcat13 "500k+ and he wants it all back? Causing all the problems?
And not prepared to put anymore in or lose anything else?
Carter is his henchman to make sure he gets it!'"


I don't know whether to be flattered or insulted?? Never been described as a henchman before. Can't punch my way out of a wet paper bag!!

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Quote: Walrus "I respectfully disagree.

I agree its great he put the money in but the job is to make sure outgoings < incomings and cut the cloth to suit.

Its great having the players we do but I think everyone would prefer much lesser players and finishing lower down the table but being a stable club and growing.

Within a very short time frame it has all fallen apart.

I think he has not had any where near the flack that the Richardsons received who did a similar thing but over a much longer time frame which I think deserves much more credit.

EXACTLY what I feel. I respect Andrew Glover for getting involved. If he has lost money doing this, well, I say thank you for trying, sincerely. However..if I was a rich man with a desire to get involved with my beloved team, I would research the field and employ the best Sports business managers I could afford before I blew my cash on players we cant afford. I have been baffled as to why a club like ours has let players like Walshaw, Annakin, Kay and others go out on loan while we spend on a number of playes who excite the appetite but have not delivered. We should have got the business plan right and let the young players have a go. From what I saw Vs Wigan this year, we would have been no worse off

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Thats the problem Charlie, where are these ' Sports Business Managers ' ? , do they exist

The RFL have employed a former employee of Man City who clams to be responsible for their increased commercial turnover, nothing to do with a billion pounds worth of investement prior to it icon_wink.gif

Is there anybody out there that has a magic formula that can build a small/medium sized club in a minority regional struggling sport? , that of course without chucking millions into the pot beforehand

It really does require new thinking and probably making decision unpopular with fans, and a lot of work completely seperate from the reasons people get involved, most new investors/owners are looking for a change from the mundane running of a normal business, they want the ' Sexy ' possibly even the local hero feel, but it is the boring normal work that is needed

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