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| Looking at that, Lyne's double movement decision was a bit harsh. He wasn't tackled when he hit the ground first time. For me he could have just rolled over, and at worst just a play the ball.
With the ref right in front of him and him lifting his arm, I can see why he gave the decision but on the camera view on there I wouldn't have given double movement.
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| Quote: the red fusilier "match highlights
Watching that back, a few things to comment on
No ones in contact with Lyne when he does the double movement so therefore it's a try.
What a superb effort from Scruton to attempt a tackle on Johnson
No ones really to blame for Morley break and you can't blame Collis for initially adopting a position that allowed him to cover the faster man on the outside.
In the act of scoring Huraki leads with his elbow to the throat of Ryan therefore no try-penalty to Wakefield
Lyne allows Sa'u to just saunter past him and go under the sticks making the 2pts a formality. Those points might have been vital had we scored our 3rd try a few minutes earlier.
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| Quote: The Avenger "No ones in contact with Lyne when he does the double movement so therefore it's a try.'"
rlI'd disagree.rl
Quote: The Avenger "In the act of scoring Huraki leads with his elbow to the throat of Ryan therefore no try-penalty to Wakefield'"
Huaraki tries to hand-off Ryan, looks like he's not strong enough to keep him away though and his arm folds in, unfortunately with Ryan's neck heading straight for his forearm/elbow. Looks like there's nothing in it to me and it's just unlucky for Ryan when there was obviously a lot of force going either way.
Everything else you said was spot on though.
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| Quote: andyh0064 "rlI'd disagree.rl
Huaraki tries to hand-off Ryan, looks like he's not strong enough to keep him away though and his arm folds in, unfortunately with Ryan's neck heading straight for his forearm/elbow. Looks like there's nothing in it to me and it's just unlucky for Ryan when there was obviously a lot of force going either way.
Everything else you said was spot on though.'"
Well in future that'll teach Ryan not to attack a players elbow with his throat!
I can't view whatever you've linked to but I'm guessing it's a still image showing what you think is a player laying on top of Lyne therefore completing the tackle.
However if that's the case it's irrelevant, watch the play at normal speed and you see the defender sliding straight off Lyne in one motion which doesn't constitute a completed tackle
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| I was really impressed with you lot yesterday, you could of won the game in the first 20 minutes if you took your chances. I thought Hall was your best player on the pitch, he made great yards even when he was under pressure. Smith didn't do much apart from the drop out kick in the second half and after watching the saints game i thought Lyn was going to destroy us on the wing. I can see you lot surprising a lot of teams especially at home this year. Good luck apart for rest of the season
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| Lyne was never stopped and momentum forward was continuous never the less he still looked to be short and probably knocked on from the highlights
The ref may have been too quick on his whistle (and sometimes not at all given some holding down) but we wee our worse enemy too many simple errors and too much sily play trying to score off every ball, until that changes we won't win many, although I do think there will be a game where it will all click and forward passes won't be forward and passes will stick, lets just hope it's sooner rather than later!
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| Quote: andyh0064 "rlI'd disagree.rl
Huaraki tries to hand-off Ryan, looks like he's not strong enough to keep him away though and his arm folds in, unfortunately with Ryan's neck heading straight for his forearm/elbow. Looks like there's nothing in it to me and it's just unlucky for Ryan when there was obviously a lot of force going either way.
Everything else you said was spot on though.'"
And what about the other frames where he doesn't have a hand on him and Lyne is a couple of yards closer to the line? The 'tackling' player ends up behind the line when lynes momentum is halted. IMO it doesn't matter as I'm still not convinced he actually got the ball on or over the line
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| Quote: The Avenger "Well in future that'll teach Ryan not to attack a players elbow with his throat!
I can't view whatever you've linked to but I'm guessing it's a still image showing what you think is a player laying on top of Lyne therefore completing the tackle.
However if that's the case it's irrelevant, watch the play at normal speed and you see the defender sliding straight off Lyne in one motion which doesn't constitute a completed tackle'"
About the Huaraki-Ryan incident, it's just onf of those unfortunate things that happen. Huaraki din't lead with his elbow. If a tackler is off slightly and gets a knee in the face from someone running normally, is it a penalty to the defending team? Of course not. Nobody wants to see stuff like that, but it hapens from time to time.
Sorry about the link, yes that's what it's suppoed to be though. Taylor never loses contact once he's made the tackle though in real-time or otherwise. And frankly, he doesn't get the ball down on/over the line anyway!
Wakey had ample opportunities to take a more commanding lead in the first 10-15 minutes yesterday, had they taken them it may have been a very different outcome.
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| Quote: Wildcat_1 "And what about the other frames where he doesn't have a hand on him and Lyne is a couple of yards closer to the line? The 'tackling' player ends up behind the line when lynes momentum is halted. IMO it doesn't matter as I'm still not convinced he actually got the ball on or over the line'"
That's true about taylor not having a hand on him, he is still laid on top of him though. My understanding of the rules may be a little off there, is a hand required to be on the player for a tackle to be completed?
I probably wouldn't have argued with the ref giving play on in all fairness. It looks more of a double-movement than a try though if I had to pick one of those two options.
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| Quote: The Avenger "Well in future that'll teach Ryan not to attack a players elbow with his throat!
I can't view whatever you've linked to but I'm guessing it's a still image showing what you think is a player laying on top of Lyne therefore completing the tackle.
However if that's the case it's irrelevant, watch the play at normal speed and you see the defender sliding straight off Lyne in one motion which doesn't constitute a completed tackle'"
As a wakey fan I disagree and thought Lyne was tackled. I thought he looked tackled at the game [i was in the salford end behind where he scores] and I think he looks tackled on the video.
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Quote: andyh0064 "
I beg to differ,
Taylor clearly slides straight over Lyne whilst Lyne is still in motion
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Quote: andyh0064 "
I beg to differ,
Taylor clearly slides straight over Lyne whilst Lyne is still in motion
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| Hard to argue with that as a double movement - and he gives himself away by reaching out; if the tackler had fallen away, he should have got up and run over the line, or at least rolled and placed the ball down. Result = try.
A bit of white line fever from Reece, resulting in a decision that most RL fans would agree with.
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| I think this is the thing with rugby league refs and how they apply the rules these days. Players lead with the forearm all the time these days and it's never penalised. I remember watching Peacock do it all game last year. Look at the ptb from Morley after his break, ten years ago he'd have been pinged for an incorrect ptb - the ball doesn't even travel backwards. It's the same with the ruck management: referees turn a blind eye to so much and then suddenly they'll remember there are rules to apply and ping a team for something that has happened ten times beforehand.
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| Quote: bren2k "Hard to argue with that as a double movement - and he gives himself away by reaching out; if the tackler had fallen away, he should have got up and run over the line, or at least rolled and placed the ball down. Result
It's not hard to argue it all, Taylor clearly fails to stay in contact with Lyne whilst Lyne still has momentum, that does not constitute a tackle and Lyne is free to reach out, roll over or stand up and do a bit of a boogie before putting the ball down!
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