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The Scruton under Agar wasn't worth a deal. The Scruton under Webster is. If he is now settled and can keep up his recent form then its a good move.

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Quote: A unknown superstar "Apparently linked with Richard Horne for next season, if he carries on after this season.'"

As assistant coach i presume? If its as a player it would be a poor move.

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Yes sadly three or four seasons ago yes but not now plus as stated I believe if he retires he is joining the Hull coaching staff.

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Apparently if he is to carry on playing you'll be interested, but he's expected to join our coaching staff more than likely our 19s coach.

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I think we should steer clear of Horne - he's done.

A couple of months ago, I'd have balked at Scruton, but the way he's played the past few games, this is a good signing; a relatively young (in prop years) English forward who, on a good day, is a really destructive runner. If JW can coax more good days than bad out of him, he'll be a great addition.

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Personally I like a strong 4 prop team.

Anderson, Scruton, Moore and Tautai are really good for us, with Smith and Raleigh as cover

We need to sign up Moore and replace Tautai with an impact prop. I'm thinking the young props are not ready to step up yet and I quite like Smith as 13 sometimes so good to have a good option to use instead of him as 100% prop.
The props in modern day are really important for a successful team. We are building pretty well there.

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A good signing.....will be even better now he's settled and wants to be here....hopefully can settle in fully and rediscover some of that form that got him into the England set up.....

It just shows though how easy it is to find scapegoats when the team are being beaten and not performing to their best....and then heap praise when we are winning and things are going well....

Statistically Scruton's first 3 games under Webster were below what he was generally achieving before....his carries, metres made and average gain were poor in comparison.....he bettered them in 7 of his previous 12 games....his all round stats (under Webster) average around what he has been doing the whole season....give or take a couple of good performances and a couple of bad ones.....so there really hasn't been the major improvement everyone seems to be seeing....or at least the stats don't suggest so icon_confused.gif

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Quote: upthecats "A good signing.....will be even better now he's settled and wants to be here....hopefully can settle in fully and rediscover some of that form that got him into the England set up.....

It just shows though how easy it is to find scapegoats when the team are being beaten and not performing to their best....and then heap praise when we are winning and things are going well....

Statistically Scruton's first 3 games under Webster were below what he was generally achieving before....his carries, metres made and average gain were poor in comparison.....he bettered them in 7 of his previous 12 games....his all round stats (under Webster) average around what he has been doing the whole season....give or take a couple of good performances and a couple of bad ones.....so there really hasn't been the major improvement everyone seems to be seeing....or at least the stats don't suggest so I'll go with my own eyes and Scruton's admission that he found it tough at the beginning of his time here, Catalans game aside. Also a wide range of posters clearly have seen an improvement in the guy. I think the major difference is how he takes the ball in. Previously it was a bit of a trundle, now he takes it up full pelt. For a prop that's the most obvious contribution to the game for supporters so that's could be why the stats suggest there has bee no major change dispute most people's thoughts.

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Scrutton does finally look like he's finding some decent form.
Whether this is down to the change of coach or just realizing that his future is at Wakefield (and not Bradford) doesn't matter.
The guy is a good quality prop and we should be pleased that he is in form and on board for 2 more years.

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I thought Horne played well against us -injected pace and good ball distribution.
It goes without saying that out priority should be the signing of Tim Smith, but much of that is probably out of our control, at least for now.

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Quote: Khlav Kalash "I'll go with my own eyes and Scruton's admission that he found it tough at the beginning of his time here, Catalans game aside. Also a wide range of posters clearly have seen an improvement in the guy. I think the major difference is how he takes the ball in. Previously it was a bit of a trundle, now he takes it up full pelt. For a prop that's the most obvious contribution to the game for supporters so that's could be why the stats suggest there has bee no major change dispute most people's thoughts.'"


Absolutely - what stats don't tell you is the damage a destructive prop forward does when he hits the line; metres gained may be broadly the same, but stats don't account for the physical and psychological toll it inflicts on the opposition defenders to keep having to put themselves in front of a big 'orrible prop forward.

He is without question an improved player in recent weeks - stats be damned!

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I would have thought that Craig Hall would be able to do a better job than Horne if put into the halfbacks.

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Just listened to his Radio Leeds interview and he was talking about Timmy screaming at him on the field no wonder the lad is running on to the ball!
Been solid for us since TS and JW came in.

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Any English players who signs for us are showing great commitment because it means they are willing to put their international careers on hold.

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Quote: bren2k "I think we should steer clear of Horne - he's done.

A couple of months ago, I'd have balked at Scruton, but the way he's played the past few games, this is a good signing; a relatively young (in prop years) English forward who, on a good day, is a really destructive runner. If JW can coax more good days than bad out of him, he'll be a great addition.'"


Horne has pretty much been done since 2008 when he had a serious neck injury and got diabetes. Been a great servant for us (Hull) but he shouldn't get another deal with Hull, we can't be sentimental with him.

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