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Quote: jack in the box "Its a pity you have just said that as you have now lost all credibility. The guy started with a clean slate that's how insolvency works. The Spirit of 1873 is a totally new company and nothing whatsoever to do with the last one.
This also means that any debts from the old company can't be passed on to Spirit of 1873.'"


A clean sheet? You must be joking!
He honoured all the season tickets that had already being purchased
Missed out on all the shirt sales
Honoured all the boxes and sponsorship that had already been paid
Paid players for the half of the month before he took over
And settled all rugby related debts pertaining to the old regime before the rfl would grant the purchase out of administration
Add that little lot up vorderman?

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Quote: vastman "Ok you take me to where it says we are on the lowest - by that I don't mean a club statement.

How do you know the figure for this year anyway they are not published as the accounts are not yet settled.

Don't be so ridiculous.'"


Because like everyone else on here.....I'm in the know!

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Yes Andrew.

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Quote: kiwiballs "Yes Andrew.'"


Davide ...?

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Quote: PHe "Davide ...?'"


James? Sarah? Daddy Cool?

He' right, though, isn't he - it did cost Andrew Glover considerably more than the 40K or whatever was quoted to take over the club and more to the point, enable it to continue operating as a Super League club.

Whether or not we have the 2nd lowest spend on players is a different matter. I would doubt that, to be honest, as we don't have a bad lot, and challenging for the top 8 doesn't come cheap, even with home-growners.

I suspect the offer for Mason may have been on the proviso that Huddersfield contribute to his wages, though. The value of his subsequent deal at Cas after he'd been wrongfully dismissed would seem to bear that out.

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Quote: jack in the box "

Its a pity you have just said that as you have now lost all credibility. The guy started with a clean slate that's how insolvency works. The Spirit of 1873 is a totally new company and nothing whatsoever to do with the last one.
This also means that any debts from the old company can't be passed on to Spirit of 1873. '"



Quote: jack in the box "A clean sheet? You must be joking!
He honoured all the season tickets that had already being purchased
Missed out on all the shirt sales
Honoured all the boxes and sponsorship that had already been paid
Paid players for the half of the month before he took over
And settled all rugby related debts pertaining to the old regime before the rfl would grant the purchase out of administration
Add that little lot up vorderman?'"



Your turn Jack or are you going to lose all credibility and stay in your box? icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo "Your turn Jack or are you going to lose all credibility and stay in your box?
No issue here, Mr Cools spin on events would do Tony Blair credit.

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Quote: Daddycool "A clean sheet? You must be joking!
He honoured all the season tickets that had already being purchased
Missed out on all the shirt sales
Honoured all the boxes and sponsorship that had already been paid
Paid players for the half of the month before he took over
And settled all rugby related debts pertaining to the old regime before the rfl would grant the purchase out of administration
Add that little lot up vorderman?'"


You really believe that don't you - I despair.

He did better than most but he isn't mother Teresa - give over.

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Quote: Daddycool "A clean sheet? You must be joking!
He honoured all the season tickets that had already being purchased
Missed out on all the shirt sales
Honoured all the boxes and sponsorship that had already been paid
Paid players for the half of the month before he took over
And settled all rugby related debts pertaining to the old regime before the rfl would grant the purchase out of administration
Add that little lot up vorderman?'"



Read your post to which I replied.

You said Glover had to honour a massive amount of debt from the previous regime

Of all those above he had no obligation to honour anything other than the bit regarding the RL which I admit I know nothing about. I would be interested to know what that was.

He chose to honour season tickets and box sales as a good will gesture and obviously for sound business reasons.

Shirt sales, well he missed the boat on those for that season, however he also missed having to run the club for the off season. That period between October and Feb is the most difficult of all to manage and the shirt sales and season tickets are used to fund that gap. So I would say they cancelled each other out. However which ever way you look at shirt sales they are only a missed business opportunity and not a debt, so knock those off your list.

The point is AG is a business man he will have known that when he took over the club exactly how much it would cost him. He will have also have known about the loss of shirt sales and all the other points you raised.

Knowing all this he obviously thought he was paying a fair price considering he had missed the commercial opportunities from the earlier part of the season. So I would say he went into it with his eyes wide open and happy with the terms of his purchase and he has not been saddled with anything from the previous regime.


I will simplify the situation, you buy a second hand car, you know it needs a service and some money spent on paintwork and you can see a couple of tyres are worn. You therefore factor those costs into the buying price.

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I know for a fact, AG & one other director in particular have pumped a small fortune into the club to a.) pay off some of the existing debt and b.) to keep the club running from month to month.

That small fortune is well well into 6 figures from both of them. They must be off there rockers!!

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Quote: Fritzys Mullet "I know for a fact, AG & one other director in particular have pumped a small fortune into the club to a.) pay off some of the existing debt and b.) to keep the club running from month to month.

That small fortune is well well into 6 figures from both of them. They must be off there rockers!!'"



I am not disputing AG and others have put large amounts of money into the club since it was purchased.
However what I can't understand is this myth about debt from the previous regime. When Ted and Co went
into liquidation all the debt ended with them.

decisions may have been made for business reasons to give money to people who had lost out to Ted purely on commercial grounds. However there is no obligation to do this and it would have been voluntary.

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Quote: jack in the box "Read your post to which I replied.

You said Glover had to honour a massive amount of debt from the previous regime

Of all those above he had no obligation to honour anything other than the bit regarding the RL which I admit I know nothing about. I would be interested to know what that was.

He chose to honour season tickets and box sales as a good will gesture and obviously for sound business reasons.

Shirt sales, well he missed the boat on those for that season, however he also missed having to run the club for the off season. That period between October and Feb is the most difficult of all to manage and the shirt sales and season tickets are used to fund that gap. So I would say they cancelled each other out. However which ever way you look at shirt sales they are only a missed business opportunity and not a debt, so knock those off your list.

The point is AG is a business man he will have known that when he took over the club exactly how much it would cost him. He will have also have known about the loss of shirt sales and all the other points you raised.

Knowing all this he obviously thought he was paying a fair price considering he had missed the commercial opportunities from the earlier part of the season. So I would say he went into it with his eyes wide open and happy with the terms of his purchase and he has not been saddled with anything from the previous regime.


I will simplify the situation, you buy a second hand car, you know it needs a service and some money spent on paintwork and you can see a couple of tyres are worn. You therefore factor those costs into the buying price.'"


Without honouring the rugby related debts the rfl wouldn't have granted spirit of 1873 the golden share rugby licence. So there would have been no Wakefield trinity if he hadn't agreed. Simples.
And I'm not saying he didn't know these things. My point was that he spent a fortune honouring the old regimes debts. You disagreed.

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Quote: Fritzys Mullet "I know for a fact, AG & one other director in particular have pumped a small fortune into the club to a.) pay off some of the existing debt and b.) to keep the club running from month to month.

That small fortune is well well into 6 figures from both of them. They must be off there rockers!!'"


Agreed! I must be!

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Correct, no obligation, but i think part of the reason AG was given the green light by the RFL was down to his agreement to pay some of the debtors, particularly those that were rugby league related.

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