Some interesting points there!
I know only one person who has had the virus and thankfully beat it.
I know of two others who were elderly and had other serious conditions, prior to the outbreak of Corona Virus and were hospitalised with them. They then caught the virus and that was shown as the cause of death, although the other conditions were serious ones!
I also believe that for a pandemic, the death rate, in countries who don't tell lies anyway, are relatively low.
It does make you wander if there is more to this?!

How very forgiving ?

We have been told for 3 months +, that 2 metres (compared to 1) will halve the risk of becoming infected, which means that reducing to 1 metre doubles the risk.
I fully understand the need to try and return to something approaching "normal". However, we have also been told that the decisions made thus far are not political and that "we are following the science" and the changes now being advocated are little to do with "the science" ad are purely political - The Government cant have it both ways.

Also, regarding the app - yes, the take up has to be pretty high for it to be effective but, it would also have to work.
Despite the "WORLD BEATING" test and trace system supposedly being rolled out from 1st June, it is nowhere near because The Government didn't back the right horse.
The Donkey that they chose simply did not work but, we have had lie upon lie to cover their mistake.

You suggest that the test and trace is no longer imperative but, this is simply because we dont have a system that works. Nothing to do with it not being needed, in fact the contrary is true but, those in chare weren't up to the job, again.

Forgiving ?
No,not really,like the many others i acknowledge that mistakes have been made and IMHO serious misjudgements(notably not getting rid of Cummings) and the current two week quarantine for UK arrivals (totally pointless).
Have lies been told to cover mistakes - probably,but lies and government/politicans go hand in glove no matter which political party it is,i think Tony Blair probably holds the record for the biggest fib in modern history.
Problem is that everyone on the left just wants to jump up and down shouting "lie,lie,lie" everyone on the right wants to defend.Personally i think the government are doing the best they can,but I'm not really sure there is anything to measure it against at the moment (maybe in 12/18 months).
TBH its all getting very boring,just political point scoring,how many times I've read on here that Boris has a track record of telling lies,yet in December by an overwhelming majority the country voted for the Tories.

I work with mobile apps all the time.
Having something not work on Apple environment is not a strange thing at all. It isn't just a matter of popping it on the ipad.
I completely understand why that deployment hasn't been perfect.

Cant argue with the last bit, which shows just how bad Corbyn was, possibly worse than Foot for being an electable leader.
Putting aside, Blair taking us to war in the middle east (a price for being the a Yankie puppet), the willingness of Johnson & Co to mislead the public, with such alarming regularity is something quite new and his failure to deliver on ANYTHING (apart from wild exaggerations) unacceptable for a leader of the country

The impact that Blair's Iraq catastrophe has had ripples across the years and across a myriad of issues. Such a gigantic asset for people from the centre-ground and the left alike has been nullified by that one thing. Without Iraq he would have been a hugely influential and respected figure in the EU debate and in general elections. I tend to think that he might have even saved his legacy if he'd shown a shred of remorse for Iraq. But in that respect he's a bit of a zealot who remains adamant it was the "right thing" to do.

I know elements of the socialist left will always have ideological issues with Blairism such as PFI etc but without Iraq their mistrust is blunted a bit.

Blair’s involvements in the Middle East countries are still having repercussions today, as recently as 3 days ago, in a town just west of London. Blair’s never apologised to anyone, for taking the UK to wars in that part of the world.

Yes I accept your point and I understand the limitations of all reported date. But when we have nothing else to go off I have to rely on something reported as a fact by various health organisations, much better to analyse the data published than trust the man down at the local pub, politicians, modellers or the MSM. I actually think we might agree on this crisis; this whole COVID response is clearly an overreaction.

Here's some more data for us to get to grips with the reality of the success and failures for those under 50/60 and the BAME group.

+ ONS data (UK - all settings) shows up to to the week ending 12 June the under 50s accounted for 959 of the total deaths (48,21icon_cool.gif. This is inclusive of positive and suspected cases even if the test failed to produce a positive result. The under 50s as a percentage therefore equates to 1.98% of those that sadly passed away.

+ NHS England data reported up until 16 June shows of those under the age of 60 (couldn't locate the under 50s) the number of people that died in hospitals in England with no pre-existing health condition was 297. We then need to consider the total hospital deaths in England for the under 60s group was 2,416. This equates to 12.29% of those that passed away with no pre-existing health condition under 60.

+ The NHS England data also shows up until 16 June the number of patients that died in English hospitals that were known to be of "White ethnicity" was 21,487. In comparison the known "BAME group" made up 3,747 of the total deaths. As a percentage of the deaths by ethnicity grouping (excludes not stated) is 85% = "white ethnicity" / 15% = "BAME group". As a percentage split across the current population in England, reports estimate the split of ethnicity of those residing here is exactly the same match 85% - white / 15% BAME. Even the ONS (All UK settings) states "Of the deaths involving COVID-19 that occurred between 2 March and 15 May 2020, 88.6% were among those of White ethnic background." That's 33,630 were of a white ethnicity out of 37,956 for the total deaths registered with COVID. Yet the mainstream media sources like the Guardian, BBC etc shout from the roof tops about the virus disproportionally killing people from the BAME group.

The data tells me the media is blatantly lying to push an agenda. Questions are what on earth is going on behind the scenes and what vision do the political leaders have for us as a society?

Watching snippets from today’s PMQ’s you’d think Starmer was the PM the amount of questions he gets.

Also, when did misleading the House stop being a very serious matter? Johnson has been doing it for a fair few weeks now.

Starmer is as much use as a chocolate fireguard another Labour leader with leader being used in the loosest sense.

Boris charisma yes to some degree buffoonery absolutely there is not much to choose amongst the lot of them. I am not part of the hindsight police but I absolutely over the moon that the previous PM is not in charge likewise the the front bench of the former labour team Boris is the best of a bad bunch. The chancellor however is definitely a fella for the future I like him.

Thank God one brave lady had the nous to sue your hero Matt Hancock for the death of her father owing to his policy of discharging Covid victims int o a care home. I hope others who lost relatives because of this governments bungling cock ups have the wherefore to do the same. All success to her.

How dare you insinuate that Hancock is my hero I have lost my father in law in care home in Wakefield to Covid your post absolutely offends me you need to consider your comments before hitting send.

As for her legal action good luck if it works but I do not think it will because there is a massive lack of control of entry and exits at care home for staff and supplies the number of residents visiting hospitals for appointments and authorities conducting visits makes it almost impossible to prove that discharging patients to care homes has caused the spread you suggest.

My comments were about the leaders of the parties I don't vote Tory so don't preach to me things you obviously make massive assumptions about!

He said Chancellor didn't he? Rishi Sunak.

Sincere apologies RWB, I got my ministers mixed up. I mistook the Health Sec for the Chancellor. Extremely sorry to hear of your father-in-law.

No worries Redscat apology accepted the Chancellor is Rishi Sunak I think he comes across as a caring fella if there is such a politician

No hards feelings mate