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Quote: King Street Cat "Can't we get 3 or 4 coaches in like other Super League clubs?
I don't think our away support warrants that many at the moment does it?

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Quote: chissitt "I don't think our away support warrants that many at the moment does it?'"


Boom boom tschhhhh!

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Quote: vastman "I'll be honest here you may be right on most points. That said I would say that if JK has one strength it's motivating young and experienced sides who have been written off. Where JK has failed in recent years is that he has had to many players so called good players to choose from, some of whom had strong ideas of their own. I think JK is at his best building teams from spare parts and making them believe. What he has failed to do as yet is take those teams to the next level and keep them there, I'm not sure he has that in him.

With that in mind I can't think of a better coach for us at this moment. We are a spare parts paper thin team with no hope and getting them moving is right up Johns street. I think the last thing we need right now is a coach with new ideas, we need tried and trusted and if JK reverts to the JK style of a few years back we will be OK I think even Mopsey might admit that.'"


Agreed. My only reservation would be that JKs job is going to be bigger and harder, at least in the short-term, and he is getting no younger. Has he got the energy to put in the hours that will be needed to shape a vastly changed side especially if back-up staff are thin on the ground? As any Cas fan now knows, underestimate him at your peril.

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Quote: MrBigStuff "Appreaciate what JK has done for us but im not looking forward to seeing the 5 drives and a kick we got used to last season again...'"


Last season I agree that was unacceptable, we had the players to do much better. This season it will do me just fine if it gets results which it will if the effort is there.

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Quote: vastman "That said I would say that if JK has one strength it's motivating young and experienced sides who have been written off. Where JK has failed in recent years is that he has had to many players so called good players to choose from, some of whom had strong ideas of their own. I think JK is at his best building teams from spare parts and making them believe. What he has failed to do as yet is take those teams to the next level and keep them there, I'm not sure he has that in him.

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Sorry Vastman but I have to take issue with this, please name me young players that have flourished under Kear. To my recollection what tends to happen is they look good when they first come in and then seem to go backwards under his coaching. Dale Ferguson is one example, then theres Dale Morton whose confidence looked shot to pieces at the back end of the stint of games he played.

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Quote: vastman "Last season I agree that was unacceptable, we had the players to do much better. This season it will do me just fine if it gets results which it will if the effort is there.'"


I dont think it will to be honest unless we really sure up the pack...
And it would be nice to see a bit of invention though Vasty..

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Quote: Tricky2309 "Sorry Vastman but I have to take issue with this, please name me young players that have flourished under Kear. To my recollection what tends to happen is they look good when they first come in and then seem to go backwards under his coaching. Dale Ferguson is one example, then theres Dale Morton whose confidence looked shot to pieces at the back end of the stint of games he played.'"


Morton never looked as confident after the home game against Huddersfield last year when to be fair he had a bit of a nightmare but wasn't helped by the fact he had Gleeson inside him. I partially blame Sky for this as Eddie and Stevo had a right dig at him which was totally uncalled for considering he is only a young lad trying to make his way in the game.

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Quote: Tricky2309 "Sorry Vastman but I have to take issue with this, please name me young players that have flourished under Kear. To my recollection what tends to happen is they look good when they first come in and then seem to go backwards under his coaching. Dale Ferguson is one example, then theres Dale Morton whose confidence looked shot to pieces at the back end of the stint of games he played.'"


You can always find example either way. I'm not suggesting he is a magician with the youngsters who by definition are notoriously difficult to predict. It also depends on what you consider a good player.

I think Ferguson has done well under Kear, his dip in form last season was self inflicted. Kear gave Morton a chance and he struggled, that's not Kears fault, he certainly backed the lad.

I believe Blaymire to have been a great success, others don't. Ryan Atkins flourished as have a few others but it's opinion I suppose.

Also you have to accept that maybe our youngsters were never that good and went as far as they could. Nothing in RL splits fans opinions more than the benefits of young home grown players a chance, it's a very emotive subject. My point wasn't aimed at these youngsters it was aimed at his ability to take unfancied teams forward and these usually have an element of youngsters.

HTH

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Kear all the way ! But im still baffled why all the Fullbacks and all the wingers ! But in Kear we trust !

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like I said I would Kear above anyone else at the moment a014.gif

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I dont think John is the best tactically. But boy can he get the lads up for a fight!! Good on you John. For a Cas lad you will always be a wakey legend.

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like i said this is a season to get behind everything that is wakefield, that includes jk. im not his biggest fan but for me its a clean slate and lets see what he can do. If tonights anything to go by then I'll be very happy

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Not sure on the stats, but i bet Johns win...loss ratio for trin is one of the best for a long time when it comes to coaches. That is what matters! Who cares what it looks like. Just win.

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King Kear is Back a014.gif a014.gif a014.gif

When the Trin go matching in,
Oh when the Trin go marching in,
I want to be in that number,
When the Trin go marching in.

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Quote: vastman "I'm not sure I understand the Andy Kelly choice. It's a matter of opinion as to whether JK has gone as far as he can. However I can't see the reasoning in replacing him with another coach who has achieved even less than Kear.

I felt that Andy Kelly was one of the most badly treated coaches ever at Wakefield. No way did he deserve the axe, it basically ruined his career through no fault of his own.

That said this all happened ten years ago and the world has changed since then. If Kear is a dinasour as is often expressed on here I can't see how AK would be any better. He's been in and out of the game a while and has gained no SL experience.

I'm not suggesting AK would be a bad choice, just can't see where he would be an improvement.

As for the Wakefield Spirit bit, JK was the man who led the great escape of 2006, the most spirited Trinity performances in 40 years IMO. It's amazes me how quickly we forget and how selective our memories are. Andy Kelly has no edge over JK where Wakey spirit is concerned.

I'm afraid if we get a new coach (we don't IMO) for me he will need to be an Aussie, because frankly the English ones are not good enough.'"



I'm not picking an argument here because I agree with some of what you've said, neither am I seriously putting Andrews case except with Tongue in cheek.

Andrew has never been out of the game and is as qualified as a coach as it is possible to be. He is extremely well versed in the science of the game, physiologicaly, biomechanicaly, psycologically and in terms of new innovations which aid preparation and recovery such as GPS tracking etc.

He has a superb man management ability and a proven track record of bringing through young kids, knowing whenntheyre ready and recognising when they need a break due to physical or psychological fatigue. He also knows how to give a player that break without eroding their confidence.

Look how he got the best from Blanch, Gleeson and Grix during the RL World cup, all Wakefield players whose performances were of a standard higher than that displayed for Trinity that season.

As I said I'm not pushing Andrew for coach because as things stand I'll back JK but he's certainly not someone who can be discounted for the future based on the reasons you give.

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