What ! and have playing in the top flight decided on a teams ability to play the game, that will never catch on

Licensing has made clubs kick start stadium developments, more clubs have blooded more British players, club sponsors are easier to come by knowing they will be on sky in SL. Clubs have improved facilities for players and fans. These are the reasons we left p and r. The RFL have buckled due to pressure from a few clubs without thinking of the good licensing was doing for the game over here. Licensing should have been for 20 years at least to see the benefits properly but yet again the RFL try something, It's not an instant success, so give up. It would have worked and seen to be fair, had it been policed properly, kicking out those who failed the criteria, including us.

Because it's short term and does not promote stability. I know it's traditional and works in football - however that is a far richer game and teams can fall 1 or 2 divisions and survive - we can't.

As ever we flounder from one extreme to another in RL - surely there is a halfway house between the horrors of relegation and the unfairness of a closed shop.

Clubs like us will never produce a GB International again with P&R in place - do you want that?

To be fair that's the last thing on my mind regarding Trinity, I've been watching this team since the mid seventies, I can't remember spawning multitudes of GB players whether it be in P&R days or indeed in the fourteen years ( someone will put me right on that if I've got it wrong) we've been in Super league.

Perhaps it was a little unfair, to put it another I will be pleasantly surprised if the three mentioned get much game time next season outside of injuries.

Fully agree about the environment to blood youngsters.I only hope the non-fed limit is retained and the club trained numbers remain the same at the very least. An increase in the former will see a return to sides being filled with kolpack stiffs, even more so now the pound no longer has the value to entice the better antipodeans.

Licensing would have worked if the rules had been enforced in a fair, consistent and even-handed way; they weren't, which has created the illusion that the system doesn't work. In reality, it's those people administering the system who have failed.

The return to P&R will be a disaster for the game in this country - clubs will behave in a short-termist, desperate manner and that means fewer opportunities for young players and reduced investment in youth and junior set-ups. Not good.

What I said but better put

I'll clarify what I mean - it's not the GB Cap that bothers me it's the harm it does to the club building a team.

Any junior at Wakefield who is half decent will look at us as relegation fodder and will jump ship with the help of his agent ASAP long before we get any real value off him. How can we ever build a decent home grown team with that hanging over us. Without P&R we have a chance of getting some to stay but with it we have no chance.

It will be journeymen and hired mercenaries for us until we finally bite the dust or NM finally happens and saves us. I'm not obsessed with homegrown players but when we do produce one it would be nice to have some chance of keeping them.

Your putting a lot of eggs into one big basket there Vasty regarding NM been the savior of the club. It could have the totally oposite effect. LSV didn't get Leigh a SL guarantee.

P&R is coming and it could be at the worse possible time for some clubs. I get the feeling that if London get what they want, P&R will be held off for a couple of years though.

Whatever happens over next 6 weeks regarding structure, there will definitely be p& r in 2015 season

Backwards move. It doesn't work.

I'd like to see the SL brand built up to such an extent that conferences can be introduced to facilitate the clubs who wish to compete at the highest domestoc level.

How do you feel about it MC? Your unique position and thoughts would be interesting on the subject. As I've stated I'm in the licensing camp.

I wish I was planning a 3 year budget to live within our means under a licensing system. It would be a fairly easy process to live within our means with no relegation. A massively wasted opportunity 2 years ago in my opinion. Although hindsight is a wonderful thing.
However I feel it does lead to too many dead rubber games. I guess for a lot of fans the highlight of the last 10 years would be the 'million pound game'. Might not have been had the result been different. I think there are big arguments for both systems. From a pure fan of the game, p & r leads to more excitement. From a club owner point of view it would allow breathing space and planning. I guess the problem is that it's been abused by clubs, chasing a dream.

Excellently put bren, particularly the bottom paragraph.
I will openly admit I was not a fan of franchising in the beginning, which I think was simply that I didn't "know" anything else. With franchising in place I've seen what I've always wanted to see darn't lane (bar a trophy!), which was to see young local lads coming through the ranks and fulfilling their boyhood dream and young English players coming off the conveyor belt that the Aussies want and fear. Now is the time to build on this in my opinion, not start smashing haphazardly at the foundations we've put in place. My vote would be for no relegation from SL and look to add to the competition every three years or so if, and its a big if, a team below is ready to add something to the competition as opposed to just seeing the previous years relegated players playing in a different kit before being relegated again.