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| Quote Roverswall="Roverswall"Erm if you have signed away that right then yes, yes they can.
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If I sign a bit of paper saying you can punch me in the face as hard as you like, would it be then legal for you to do so? Or would I be able to go to the police and press charges?
(Not for 1 second I think we could, would or should go down that route that is)
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| At least this news has been done a lot better and covered more. Does anyone think that there could be plans for Belle vue after (if) we move out. Reserves/football being played at Belle vue..?
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Quote RebelRebel="RebelRebel"No, but if you read the other article on the number of people who turned up to hear the news, you'll see this:
The stadium development announcement is a fantastic stride in the right direction for Wakefield Trinity Wildcats and will provide us with a Super League compliant stadium fit for our fantastic team and our fantastic City whilst we are waiting for Newmarket.
www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/2011 ... eague-bid/'"
Then they should have made that clear on the main story which has grabbed the headlines then. As has been mentioned earlier, why would the journos visit the site for more info when they've been sent a story that doesn't mention Newmarket anywhere.
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Quote RebelRebel="RebelRebel"No, but if you read the other article on the number of people who turned up to hear the news, you'll see this:
The stadium development announcement is a fantastic stride in the right direction for Wakefield Trinity Wildcats and will provide us with a Super League compliant stadium fit for our fantastic team and our fantastic City whilst we are waiting for Newmarket.
www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/2011 ... eague-bid/'"
Then they should have made that clear on the main story which has grabbed the headlines then. As has been mentioned earlier, why would the journos visit the site for more info when they've been sent a story that doesn't mention Newmarket anywhere.
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| Quote Roverswall="Roverswall"It could but it would be a poinless.
A judge would ask 'did you sign this?'
'Yes'
'Case dismissed''"
And the defence would say
"did you have any choice other than to sign it if you even wanted to apply for a licence?"
"No"
Ah, well in that case not quite so clear cut is it?
I'm not a legal expert but to me there is a bit of an issue with saying to someone "you can only apply to stay in our club (that you're already a member of) if you sign this agreement that says we can just refuse you admission based on a set of criteria we have set, but yet allow Joe Bloggs down the road to be admitted even though he doesn't meet the same conditions, and by signing the agreement you give up your right to challenge the completely flawed process we will apply.
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| Quote Tommy Duckfingers="Tommy Duckfingers"If I sign a bit of paper saying you can punch me in the face as hard as you like, would it be then legal for you to do so? Or would I be able to go to the police and press charges?
(Not for 1 second I think we could, would or should go down that route that is)'"
That's exactly the example I used just the other day!
Again, as many people have said, I wouldn't advocate a legal challenge for one second - just trying to point out that signing a contract does not automatically bind you to it, if the terms of it are later deemed to be unfair.
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| Quote Tommy Duckfingers="Tommy Duckfingers"If I sign a bit of paper saying you can punch me in the face as hard as you like, would it be then legal for you to do so? Or would I be able to go to the police and press charges?
(Not for 1 second I think we could, would or should go down that route that is)'"
I think we can see the point you are making and agree but you are talking of criminal law in your example and you are correct no one can issue exemptions from Criminal Law.
Contract Law on the otherhand is not surprisingly governed by the Law of Contact. You can sign a Contract and even though you signed it willingly if you believe that the Contract was not fair you can challenge the Contract under the "UNFAIR CONTRACT TERMS ACT 1977"
Whether you win or not is a matter for the Judge but just because you signed it does not mean you are up a creek without a paddle.
Thats why we have so many well paid Lawyers.
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| Quote Sandal Cat="Sandal Cat"I think we can see the point you are making and agree but you are talking of criminal law in your example and you are correct no one can issue exemptions from Criminal Law.
Contract Law on the otherhand is not surprisingly governed by the Law of Contact. You can sign a Contract and even though you signed it willingly if you believe that the Contract was not fair you can challenge the Contract under the "UNFAIR CONTRACT TERMS ACT 1977"
Whether you win or not is a matter for the Judge but just because you signed it does not mean you are up a creek without a paddle.
Thats why we have so many well paid Lawyers.'"
I simplified to make the point, that's all. It's academic anyways as most sensible people agree I think.
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| Quote Inflatable_Armadillo="Inflatable_Armadillo"I sort of agree with your view here.
The problem is, in modern journalism and a 24 hour news culture, things move quickly and the speed of the story is important for many media outlets such as websites and radio. Also, journalism and journalists are not what they used to be. The need to fact check has become secondary to the speed of the news itself. So, our young reporter here at the YP is probably a junior member of the website team, his news editor throws a press release and story at him, which he then uses the internet to research and does not bother picking up the phone to James or the club at all. That is ok to him, other news outlets are reporting they have shelved Newmarket, that was not clear in the press release, so we will run with that... someone must have checked this before me??? Err, no, someone, somewhere made an assumption and now the whole media circus is reporting this as a fact because the story is not big enough or worth the time for the website reporter to check any further... he is now writing his 10th story of the day for the website about some Mum's wanting a pedestrian crossing on a dangerous bit of road.
This can also work the other way and I must admit, RW and Cas seem to do well here!
Remember how Cas had SOLD WR for £50m the other week... it was on the BBC main website for gods sake, it must be true! Of course it wasn't, the reporter at the BBC website (paid slightly more money than the guy at the YP and lives in London) made some assumptions. To be fair to Cas, the press release didn't say that at all, it said the development value was worth £50m, which is probably true! However, quick as a flash in the rush to report the story the whole of the media are reporting this as being a fact... even Sky News, who probably should have just picked up the phone to the sports department and fact checked it with them and got the right answer. But now the BBC have said...
You need to be very clear about key messages and I think you are right, that it was not clear enough and now this is the result!'"
None of which is an excuse for such shoddy, negligent, lazy and incompetent reporting!
How long would you last if you just guessed at the answers because you were up against a deadline? Apply that logic to just about any job, builders, teachers, surgeons, bookies, chemists etc.. It wouldn't be acceptable and the dole would be your only destination for such amateurism.
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| Quote Roverswall="Roverswall"You do know that work to extend the east stand (adding 1.6K on the capacity figure) has already been started don't you?
You do know it is 1 stand so not 'stands' and that is getting moved over to the other end with it being roofed off in is premanet home and it will only be used as an overflow stand dont you?
You do know that planning is accepted and funding is in place and all set to go any day now for our new £6M north stand dont you?
This work will be started BEFORE the franchises are given out.
We will have 12k, ALL underoof, All apart from 1 stand as seating,
Completley complient.'"
I do know yes!
The temporary improvements to NCP are not as extensive as the temporary improvements to BV!
The permanent improvements to NCP will not be as good as the permanent solution to BV i.e. Newmarket!
That said, I have great respect for the Rovers for coming up and making things happen, my comments are not meant as a criticism but IMO my above statement is correct.
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| Quote t-r-i-n-i-t-y="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"What doesn't help is I can't find mention of Newmarket in the story on the club's website...very poorly written.'"
That's not a licence to make stuff up!
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| Quote The Clan="The Clan"None of which is an excuse for such shoddy, negligent, lazy and incompetent reporting!
How long would you last if you just guessed at the answers because you were up against a deadline? Apply that logic to just about any job, builders, teachers, surgeons, bookies, chemists etc.. It wouldn't be acceptable and the dole would be your only destination for such amateurism.'"
I 100% agree Clan, but I was explaining why this is happening, not making an excuse for him or the YP.
Now, we have this guy from Sporting Life who has clearly... picked up the phone this morning and spoke to James!!! What a great idea for a journalist, gather some facts about the story you are writing! Low and behold, he has a good accurate story and also uncovered lots more information and detail not even mentioned last night!
Rocket science it isn't, good journalism it is! If only they were all as good as this!
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