Like Wigan have Shaun Wayne who is leadership & Management Director

Which is an important role. It just isn't a coaching role.
We should have one so coach can concentrate on coaching.

Ok Wigan have a great squad to choose from , but Matty has a great person looking over proceedings at the club ,and will provide a wealth of experience when required .Our set up is living proof that if you cut corners and don’t have that experience and right people in place in the right positions within the management structures of a club ,your on a hiding to nowhere ,as we see unfolding before our very eyes .Our choices of players and contracts has been at best woefully inadequate and whilst MA might have been great with the junior set ups , it’s a whole different ball game with adults and their management needs . Fingers crossed going forwards we can get the right people in the right places behind the scenes and see those benefits on the field in the coming seasons .

Any coach worth his salt won’t want Applegarth as an assistant because he’s got a reputation for undermining those in front of him to advance himself.

Applegarth needs to go and go completely from the club, he’s moved on from being a Youth Coach and if he still has ambition to be a Head Coach he needs to drop into the Championship and build his experience.

It’s not hindsight from me to say it because I said even before he was given the job, he wasn’t ready, he was a ‘coach by numbers’ kind of Coach, he would make players play to a strict job description thus eliminating ingenuity & flair, his playing format would be get to a point (40s & 60s) and play wedge/double wedge as nausium & his man management wasn’t the best. I said there was a decent Coach in him and maybe one day he’d be SL level but he needed to gain far more experience and wasn’t yet ready.

I said all this the day Willie was sacked and MAs name was rumoured and I got roundly criticised by many on here saying they knew better, they didn’t!

You did say that. No one can argue that.
I have to say I wasn't that keen when he was first mentioned because of his lack of experience.
But the more I listen to him the more I think he is right for the role......however the attack is stunted and I'm not sure its the thing you say. Playing to a strict job description isn't a problem to me, providing you have the people to do it.
Dropping a high ball to the winger under no pressure is nothing to do with Mash. Every try bar maybe one against Leigh was down to an individual making a basic mistake.
Maybe you can blame the recruitment or the team selection but that's not a game strategy issue.

If the role is to get us to play the worst rugby ever seen in Super League history and go winless throughout the season then fair enough.

But I don’t know how you can keep listening to him. The bloke sounds more dreary than Chester did.

There is some truth in what you say but as a Club we are so far away from the calibre of players required to do this successfully that it really isn’t the right strategy at all. Why, because some years ago defences adapted to that style of attack and can see it coming from a mile away. Players now have an unconscious competence when it comes to defending it, it’s bread and butter stuff when it’s done as crudely and slowly as we try to do it.
Yes it can be successful when employed by far better players but even then it’s only a part of a much wider attacking structure and those players are still allowed to be individualistic, using their own skill set and ingenuity to break defences down. That’s something MA doesn’t like, he prefers his players to stick to the attacking script and his players know the consequence of getting it wrong.

All indicative traits of a Coach who hasn’t developed enough and/or needs much more experience in the game, learning to trust the ability and instincts of his players, letting them off the leash in order to broaden the attacking threat the team carries

We are a long way from that

Unfortunately for Applegarth, he started the season with a poor squad on the back of some bad signings. Meaning we were always one of the weaker teams from the off. Add to that the now annual injuries list, we are now just about fielding a team. Anyone that thinks a win is just around the corner I am afraid are kidding themselves.
Until we get some shape back and players playing in position we will not compete against full strength teams regardless of who the coach is. We desperately need Jowitt back, and some outside backs with some pace, maybe Kay and Dagger on the wings.

I'm starting to consider relegation as a refreshing option.

After 63 yeats of watching Trinity I don't expect us to win every week but I do expect a contest. There's no pleasure in watching your team be nilled or near nilled every week. There is no pleasure in turning up knowing that you will get thrashed. Therefore unless a multi millionaire comes out of nowhere to invest heavily in a competitive team next season I see relegation as the only way I will keep turning up to Belle Vue. That doesn't mean we should throw the towel in this season it's just being realistic

I've been thinking the same for a few weeks now

Carter has brainwashed you into accepting failure

No, I'm just sick of watching a perennial struggler, which we have been long before Carter arrived.

Lack of ambition is now having to be accepted by the fans.
Being a 5/6th placed Championship club doesn't sound all that appealing.

When we are relegated, our income will be further decimated and even with this seasons squad, that would be our likely place in the Championship.

So be it, we don't have the revenue to be much more than bottom dwellers and its been that way for most of the 24 years we've been in SL.