You clearly are bitter. That’s your choice but why discourage others. I’ll tell you right now Snowie much as I applaud your efforts I can tell you now I’ve been doing work for the club since 1989 and I can guarantee I’ve put more hours in than you. I can also guarantee that I’ve been let down by the club more times than you!

But the club is not the people who run it, you should know that, same as the shambles of a team we now have does not represent every Trinity team.

We as real supporters have to rise above all that. We do what we can when we can and if the club thinks this will help so be it.

Personally after Thursday I have reservations that now is the time. However all this was done in good faith and we have no choice but to carry it through.

It may be a bad time to do it unless we rally in the next few weeks but to have a pop at others for trying and then following it up with a load of unconnected spite baffles me.

Why not just leave it, nobody is forcing you.

Shame really, I had big hopes that you might help us out with a potential project in the future, I suppose that’s another one off my list

Done.

I've driven through the centre a handful of times in the last 2 weeks and each time I've seen Wakefield AFC advertising on the new digital boards - there's one in the car park across from Wilkos and one at the roundabout where Charlie Browns was.

No idea how much that would cost though.

There is far more to marketing than just telling people to come and watch a winning team.
In fact that is exactly the point.
If we were winning we wouldn't need to encourage people quite so much.

For me I'd target the weekend we can get fans back in. I'd put out the videos of TJs tries on social media and I'd do the mail drop encouraging people of Wakefield to get down and watch.... Implying that could make the difference for the win.

Yes but that’s with hindsight, when we started we had to believe we’d turned a corner and until the second half on Thursday I was hopeful.

That second half in all honesty was one of the most depressing moments I’ve experienced in 30 years of supporting.

Even more of a reason why we fans don’t throw in the towel like our gutless team does (with the odd exceptions).

Can’t tell you how disgusted I am with certain so called RL players. I could have happily given up on Thursday but I won’t. There is so much still wrong with the team obviously but sod them we are the club.

well hang on a minute vasty i honestly thought there was plenty of effort the other night, after pre season for Chester to come out with we are where we are and our attitude was poor was utter rubbish. We had quite a few opportunities to stack some points up but couldn’t and those lack of points put the pressure back on us. He puts them
Out there to play to his systems and he’s the boss, his systems, shape and style of play have not changed for years. We have more or less the same team and an ageing team at that so how anyone thinks we have a top quality side, described by some as our best squad in super league is beyond me. The effort was there but their quality came through we simply weren’t good enough over the full 80. Do we change things and learn by our mistakes no not at all but that is Chester’s job

you seem to think I've given up, far from it I thought the first half had a great deal of effort but lacked something special to break their defense, that little bit of different direction coming on angles no one did, the second half their heads went down enough said

There's a mental block that they have to overcome and I hate saying it but kear had that in abundance to encourage players to preform , that's what's needed you can make the modest of players actually look like they are worth their weight in gold

I'm surprised that you see it that way. Whilst acknowledging our shortcomings with the ball the intensity in defence we showed in the first 50 minutes pleasantly surprised me. The game had an NRL feel about it such was the physicality we showed (unusually). When Chester attacked their attitude as the first comments in his interview I wanted to throttle him. Yet you see it completely massively differently and I would say you are usually a pretty calm headed analyst of it all (as I would like think I am ). Who in particular do you think wasn't putting it in in the second half?

I think you are chopping and changing a bit there, I agree that Chester isn't getting the best out of them in some ways but if you are saying the quality isn't there what do you expect? I think there is quality in there and certainly enough to not be relegation fodder and enough to do better with. Thing is if he keeps coming out with the things he does in interviews nobody will buy into anything he wants to do

No it’s the players job, this isn’t Some under 11’s team, these are pro players.

I’m not a huge CC fan but blaming him is lame as it usually is with the coach.

It’s the players end of, they gave up in the last 30 and stopped doing even the basics, how the hell is that the fault of the coaching staff

This is such a British mentality and is why we never beat the Aussies. In the NRL that defeat would be put firmly at the feet of the players and they would be held accountable. In Oz players take responsibility.

This time last year Westerman allegedly told fans in a pub that most of the Trinity team were not up to it. He didn’t say the coaches he specifically said the players.
He shouldn’t have been so indiscreet but hell he wasn’t wrong was he.

At the time I thought he was wrong but now when you see him a genuinely talented player desperately trying to make things happen you realise that even in the twighlight of his career he’s in a different class. So what does that make the rest of the players in SL?

I really hope I’m wrong, few have shown more loyalty to both team and coach than me but I now fear the worst. Truth is it wasn’t random it was so predictable. Forty minutes of effort but with little guile and no reward. The opposition get a sniff and we collapse. Same script for 18 month and I don’t buy that the coach is responsible for that. I know it’s a heresy but I blame the players. totally.

I see your point and see both sides of the point.

As for unpaid volunteers, I don’t think you’re alone. When I worked there, there were a few older blokes there, who I believe did odd jobs that were unpaid, and were voluntary. They used to have a little room on the western terrace. One, as I recall, was called Al, and I think another was called Broughie, but I think there were a couple more, who’s names escape me.

You miss the point, as snowie says he hasn’t fallen out with anyone it’s just fan fatigue.

Don’t use this to pints score, three directors and 4000 fans are not always going to see eye to eye, there will always be fall outs.

I know big al and his fallout was a shame but he’s moved on. I also imagine 6 years on MC would have handled things differently but we all learn.

The present is all that matters for now.

Vasty if you want to blame the players that’s fair dos and you say the coach is not responsible but answer me a few points
Why have no players improved at our club in a few years
Why is the attack still blunt and unchanged for years
Why do we continuously make the same mistakes in defence over and over again, jamming in on the wings for a start
Why buy Danny brough call him the final piece of the jigsaw then not get him into areas or give him the personnel to use his talents
But above all why does he keep throwing his players under a bus.
He’s the coach and he puts them on the field and if he can’t do it and 8 from 42 turns into 16 from 84 then he should be replaced.
He recruited these players he resigned these players so obviously he’s got faith in these players. Give them jobs to do and organise them and if not replace them.