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| It's great news, and I'm sure there are other things going on in the background. We won't be any worse off, as the loan repayments will be the same as the current rent (I remember MC saying that was the reason why it was sensible), with the only risk being that we end up in the Championship and be unable to pay the loan payments, which is why I think there are other things happening. With that risk-factor, Im sure we'd just rent, with a fall-back position of sharing with, say, Dewsbury.
I suspect the other pieces will now fall into place.
There are some sour tastes. Manni has made a big profit because the club was told not to bid. Yorkcourt may well end up contributing a lot less than promised. But at least we'll have made progress, and you can't everything.
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| This is good news, it is the best result from a bad situation. It is a massive relief as the club now will have security of tenure. The club no longer has the nightmare of Manni been able to do what he likes with the land ie kick us out, put the rent up, put a travelers camp in the car park etc etc. Imagine how much better it looks to SL now with Trinity owning the land. The vote to turn down the Knitware application at Newmarket has really concentrated the Councils minds. Make no mistake that was a crucial turning point in the sorry mess of the Newmarket scandal. Its amazing that because this mess was created by the Councils incompetence ie the public sector there will not be anyone held accountable. If this was the private sector heads will roll. We know that Yorkcourt never had any intention of building a Community Stadium at Newmarket, from day 1 they had Walker and Box assisting them and you have got to wonder way Box and Walker were so helpful, I mean the scam they pulled in getting the Newcold fridge built and it not counting towards the trigger point for the Community Stadium was unbelievable. Remember it was Walker and Box who told the club not to bid on BV when Manni bought it as they wanted Yorkcourt to buy it. Yorkcourt made a silly low bid and Manni jumped in and bought the lot. Again this was what Yorkcourt, Box and Walker wanted to happen, they felt it would be the end of the pesky club. They had not reckoned on the tenacity of MC and the Walkerless Trust. So then Yorkcourt are eventually forced to show their hand and publicly have to state that they have no intention of building a Community Stadium and because the Council messed up the the 106 agreement they are not legally required to do so. Then the Knitware application goes in and the legal advice is that it has to be approved, indeed at the planning hearing the councils solicitor instructed the councilors on the planning to approve the Knitware application and the silly Chairwomen, Councillor Picking also fought tooth and nail to get it approved. This was Yorkcourt`s , Box and Walkers plan, once Knitware was approved their job was done, the Newmarket site would get fully developed and Yorkcourt would not have to put a single penny towards any Community facilities. Worst of all there was nothing the club / trust could do and Manni would then realize that nothing was going to be forth company from Yorkcourt to enable a BV redevelopment and he would then kick us out. So turning down the Knitware application was a monumental result for us. What it meant was that if Yorkcourt appealed the decision then there would be some sort of inquiry into the whole Newmarket planning history and then all the Council incompetence , Yorkcourt collusion with Council and Walker would come to light. So Councils minds were concentrated and a solution had to be found in order for them to avoid an inquiry at all costs. An inquiry would not have got us a stadium. This I believe is the reason the council has suddenly found a way forward, all I can say is well played MC and the Trust you have brilliantly played a poor hand, dealt to you by the Council, Walker and Yorkcourts duplicity and incompetence . I am guessing that the Council will believe that once BV is purchased of Manni, they will be able to get a deal done with Yorkcourt for them to have planning at Newarket, perhaps even a new 106 that guarantees some monies for development of BV.
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| Call me a doom-monger if you like, but this is a really crap outcome when we consider what was campaigned for and promised; anyone remember the lovely drawings of a shiny community stadium? Gone. The drawings of a redeveloped BV? Gone.
The winners her are YCP, 88M and Rodney Walker, who will no doubt have received some form of consideration for his role in allowing 88M to make millions for doing nowt, and getting YCP off the hook.
Watch the Kitwave thing get waved through now, and as if by magic, developments at Newmarket will come thick and fast - meanwhile, we'll be grubbing round trying to find money to tart up BV - fending off criticism from citizens who will perceive this as WMDC chucking money at a minority interest at a time when infrastructure and public services are slashed to the bone; it's already started on Twitter and will only get worse.
Anyone celebrating this is experiencing Stockholm Syndrome - we've been had.
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| I trust MC on this, so going to view this as good news!
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| As TRB has said, this is the first positive outcome we have had, on the back of Kitwave getting turned down.
My congratulations go to all those involved in their tenacity in getting us to this crucial stage and whilst it is too early to crack open the champagne just yet, it appears that we are finally going in the right direction rather than backwards or round in circles, as we have been for the past few years
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| To say we've been had, is correct. We've been had for 15 years or more by various unethical, selfish and dishonest individuals and groups. Since Michael has come on board, he's acted in good faith. Paid back people he didn't need to pay back legally. But morally he did. When he's listened to others in good faith he's not been afforded the same principles and indeed had the wool pulled over his eyes. So the tenacity to keep going (Swag & Trust included) is a testament to the determination and character of the man and group. We all have a bad time at the office in work but don't often wake up to nasty, personal and vindictive attacks online by fans and fans of other clubs. This impacts massively on family life and has been the case on many occasions. Everyone is glad he continued! After previous owners knocked trust of fans, it took a long time to trust MC. That was understandable. So to be getting to this point is a massive achievement! Is it more for the ground and separate land than what was originally payed? Yes.. Does it grind? Yes.. But having acquired it, it puts us in a stronger position to move forward. We have an asset.
The good times on the field we have had on the field over the past few years have come by selling players at less than their worth as a need, doing things slowly but correctly. It took time, we took the hits, but we got there!
I've always loved Belle Vue, it holds personal memories for me and thousands of other fans. The old girl just won't give in or let go!!! A bit like our fans
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| Quote: Mick Amos 9 WTW "To say we've been had, is correct. We've been had for 15 years or more by various unethical, selfish and dishonest individuals and groups. Since Michael has come on board, he's acted in good faith. Paid back people he didn't need to pay back legally. But morally he did. When he's listened to others in good faith he's not been afforded the same principles and indeed had the wool pulled over his eyes. So the tenacity to keep going (Swag & Trust included) is a testament to the determination and character of the man and group. We all have a bad time at the office in work but don't often wake up to nasty, personal and vindictive attacks online by fans and fans of other clubs. This impacts massively on family life and has been the case on many occasions. Everyone is glad he continued! After previous owners knocked trust of fans, it took a long time to trust MC. That was understandable. So to be getting to this point is a massive achievement! Is it more for the ground and separate land than what was originally payed? Yes.. Does it grind? Yes.. But having acquired it, it puts us in a stronger position to move forward. We have an asset.
The good times on the field we have had on the field over the past few years have come by selling players at less than their worth as a need, doing things slowly but correctly. It took time, we took the hits, but we got there!
I've always loved Belle Vue, it holds personal memories for me and thousands of other fans. The old girl just won't give in or let go!!! A bit like our fans'"
Spot on. Excellent post.
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| Quote: Mick Amos 9 WTW "To say we've been had, is correct. We've been had for 15 years or more by various unethical, selfish and dishonest individuals and groups. Since Michael has come on board, he's acted in good faith. Paid back people he didn't need to pay back legally. But morally he did. When he's listened to others in good faith he's not been afforded the same principles and indeed had the wool pulled over his eyes. So the tenacity to keep going (Swag & Trust included) is a testament to the determination and character of the man and group. We all have a bad time at the office in work but don't often wake up to nasty, personal and vindictive attacks online by fans and fans of other clubs. This impacts massively on family life and has been the case on many occasions. Everyone is glad he continued! After previous owners knocked trust of fans, it took a long time to trust MC. That was understandable. So to be getting to this point is a massive achievement! Is it more for the ground and separate land than what was originally payed? Yes.. Does it grind? Yes.. But having acquired it, it puts us in a stronger position to move forward. We have an asset.
The good times on the field we have had on the field over the past few years have come by selling players at less than their worth as a need, doing things slowly but correctly. It took time, we took the hits, but we got there!
I've always loved Belle Vue, it holds personal memories for me and thousands of other fans. The old girl just won't give in or let go!!! A bit like our fans'"
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| Quote: Mick Amos 9 WTW "To say we've been had, is correct. We've been had for 15 years or more by various unethical, selfish and dishonest individuals and groups. Since Michael has come on board, he's acted in good faith. Paid back people he didn't need to pay back legally. But morally he did. When he's listened to others in good faith he's not been afforded the same principles and indeed had the wool pulled over his eyes. So the tenacity to keep going (Swag & Trust included) is a testament to the determination and character of the man and group. We all have a bad time at the office in work but don't often wake up to nasty, personal and vindictive attacks online by fans and fans of other clubs. This impacts massively on family life and has been the case on many occasions. Everyone is glad he continued! After previous owners knocked trust of fans, it took a long time to trust MC. That was understandable. So to be getting to this point is a massive achievement! Is it more for the ground and separate land than what was originally payed? Yes.. Does it grind? Yes.. But having acquired it, it puts us in a stronger position to move forward. We have an asset.
The good times on the field we have had on the field over the past few years have come by selling players at less than their worth as a need, doing things slowly but correctly. It took time, we took the hits, but we got there!
I've always loved Belle Vue, it holds personal memories for me and thousands of other fans. The old girl just won't give in or let go!!! A bit like our fans'"
Very well put!
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| Very well put Mick Amos.
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| Quote: Mick Amos 9 WTW "To say we've been had, is correct. We've been had for 15 years or more by various unethical, selfish and dishonest individuals and groups. Since Michael has come on board, he's acted in good faith. Paid back people he didn't need to pay back legally. But morally he did. When he's listened to others in good faith he's not been afforded the same principles and indeed had the wool pulled over his eyes. So the tenacity to keep going (Swag & Trust included) is a testament to the determination and character of the man and group. We all have a bad time at the office in work but don't often wake up to nasty, personal and vindictive attacks online by fans and fans of other clubs. This impacts massively on family life and has been the case on many occasions. Everyone is glad he continued! After previous owners knocked trust of fans, it took a long time to trust MC. That was understandable. So to be getting to this point is a massive achievement! Is it more for the ground and separate land than what was originally payed? Yes.. Does it grind? Yes.. But having acquired it, it puts us in a stronger position to move forward. We have an asset.
The good times on the field we have had on the field over the past few years have come by selling players at less than their worth as a need, doing things slowly but correctly. It took time, we took the hits, but we got there!
I've always loved Belle Vue, it holds personal memories for me and thousands of other fans. The old girl just won't give in or let go!!! A bit like our fans'"
No argument with any of that - but it has no bearing on what I posted; the only one coming out of this with any glory is Mr Carter, who's done right by this club at every opportunity. We've still been conned though, and YCP and 88M will make a killing.
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| Quote: Mick Amos 9 WTW "To say we've been had, is correct. We've been had for 15 years or more by various unethical, selfish and dishonest individuals and groups. Since Michael has come on board, he's acted in good faith. Paid back people he didn't need to pay back legally. But morally he did. When he's listened to others in good faith he's not been afforded the same principles and indeed had the wool pulled over his eyes. So the tenacity to keep going (Swag & Trust included) is a testament to the determination and character of the man and group. We all have a bad time at the office in work but don't often wake up to nasty, personal and vindictive attacks online by fans and fans of other clubs. This impacts massively on family life and has been the case on many occasions. Everyone is glad he continued! After previous owners knocked trust of fans, it took a long time to trust MC. That was understandable. So to be getting to this point is a massive achievement! Is it more for the ground and separate land than what was originally payed? Yes.. Does it grind? Yes.. But having acquired it, it puts us in a stronger position to move forward. We have an asset.
The good times on the field we have had on the field over the past few years have come by selling players at less than their worth as a need, doing things slowly but correctly. It took time, we took the hits, but we got there!
I've always loved Belle Vue, it holds personal memories for me and thousands of other fans. The old girl just won't give in or let go!!! A bit like our fans'"
Couldn't agree more
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| Think this is good news after what has been, a very long journey indeed, though still a long way to go in the process.
I do think it would cost considerably more than the £3.15m to re vamp the stadium fully.
I just wish, If anything, we did this sooner, before 88m got involved.
Well done all concerned, with the club, and the proper trust
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| Quote: bren2k "Call me a doom-monger if you like, but this is a really crap outcome when we consider what was campaigned for and promised; anyone remember the lovely drawings of a shiny community stadium? Gone. The drawings of a redeveloped BV? Gone.
The winners her are YCP, 88M and Rodney Walker, who will no doubt have received some form of consideration for his role in allowing 88M to make millions for doing nowt, and getting YCP off the hook.
Watch the Kitwave thing get waved through now, and as if by magic, developments at Newmarket will come thick and fast - meanwhile, we'll be grubbing round trying to find money to tart up BV - fending off criticism from citizens who will perceive this as WMDC chucking money at a minority interest at a time when infrastructure and public services are slashed to the bone; it's already started on Twitter and will only get worse.
Anyone celebrating this is experiencing Stockholm Syndrome - we've been had.'"
You may be right, but I think you are wrong. The Newmarket saga continues. The Trust said recently they will continue to object to all planning applications for the Newmarket site. I attended the Kitwave planning meeting and was encouraged by some councillors who objected to the application and spoke out about the actions of Yorkcourt in this stadium affair. The Trust and supporters will continue to object until Yorkcourt provide funding for a community stadium/facilities as promised to the Secretary of State and citizens of Wakefield. I’m sure all of us will continue our support for the Trust and club in achieving their objective.
Thank you
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