Box is using the oldest trick in the book - just keep telling people what they want to hear and they will keep forgetting the last thing he told them that they wanted to hear.

Even so that trick usually only works so many times, have to be honest I'm amazed how many people are taking it on face value. I'm even more amazed how those who are questioning it are being slapped down.

Ido hope I'm wrong, will be the best humble pie ever - here's hoping

You are Peter Box I claim my £5 pounds. I'll take your word on it but doesn't alter the validity of my pain one jot.

hates is a massive statement while I have a lot of love for my club I can honestly say I don't hate any other rival club how ever successful they are, so how can you can you come to the conclusion he's so passionate to see us fail and have you any proof of this, then if you have there's a case to question this directly

OK just for you, I will put it in a way that you may understand and be able to make a valid comparison.

Box has the same regard for Wakefield Trinity as you had for Margaret Thatcher and the tories.

So basically he will do the same to help the club as you would do to help that lot.

I hope this helps you to have a perspective of the situation.

I worked in the public sector for 18 years as a professional person, and my experience is that people at the top will do whatever covers their own back and whatever is the course of least resistance.

My reason for optimism is based on that experience. Whatever Box thinks about Wakefield, he's so far not got any blowback, always saying "it's nothing to do with WMDC". The pressure put on him publicly by MC and the press, and perhaps by MP's locally, means that there is blowback. If I work on the assumption that Mr Box is only ever concerned about Mr Box, I am optimistic purely because it has become better for Mr Box to do it than not do it, that he will cover his own back, with a bit of glory, regardless of his views on Trinity.

I don't think there is new enthusiasm for Trinity. There is merely continued enthusiasm for himself. It's just that the work done by others have shifted what best outcome meets that continued enthusiasm.

Box knows he is totally untouchable by publicity. No matter how bad he is portrayed he knows full well he will always remain in power because he is Labour and democratically irremovable.

He also knows there are no councillors who dare question him. They are all gutless and only looking after their own selfish interests.

Local MP's have no power over him whatsoever. The Labour ones will always put the party first no matter what. The tory Lass is held in total contempt by Box and he has no fear of her whatsoever.

He just rides bad publicity by lying and making false promises to take the heat away.

The only way to remove him is by the courts and legal process. I truly hope that day will arrive and the guy will get what he deserves.

Not sure what your taking my word for , but thanks anyway.

Mr. Vastman. I know you like the last word. I know you are not happy regarding my reference to doom mongers.
It is my nature, I have been kicked in the nuts all through my life but try to keep a positive spin on things.

however........

Approaching the three score years and ten mark, I have made lots of acquaintances and contacts. I have been informed that there may be an aroma of Grimsby that is in the background of a situation a long way from what we all want and what is perceived that others want. I am worried about libellous matters and will not go further.
The meeting is important. As are the questions to be asked direct of "all" parties. i.e. Is this the stadium we want at Belle Vue? Are we "all" in this together?

I now agree with a poster who said a statement would help from the Trust/ Club.

Also, Prince Buster is spot on and his words need to be heeded. How's that for a turnaround.

As a point of note don't think for a second Andrea Jenkins will give two hoots about this stadium now the proposed boundary changes will take her out of Wakefield altogether.

No votes = No interest.

For what it's worth giving my background in planning and looking at the plans in the public domain i'd advise you all to heed what Vastman was saying, too much of this development doesn't add up. And the other are right about Box, wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

By the way that doesn't mean it won't happpen in some form but i'd be very wary if I was in charge and keep an eye out for the moving of the goalposts which will surely come, especially after the convenient excuse of the autumn budget next month. Money talks.

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For what it's worth giving my background in planning and looking at the plans in the public domain i'd advise you all to heed what Vastman was saying, too much of this development doesn't add up. '"

I'm not convinced Box hates us. I just don't think he gives a stuff. If someone came along with the cash and said they would build it he'd lap it up. Politicians love shiny things that they can open and claim credit for. What he won't do is sort it himself or put his neck on the line he simply doesn't have the need or the will. Frankly I don't think he gives a stuff about Cas either he just has to look a bit more like he does in their case.

He's not untouchable - people like him make enemies and make mistakes, especially after so many years in power. He will have become arrogant and complacent - somewhere there is a ticking bomb.

Anyone know what or where it is?

What about some of your old colleagues are you owed any favours or are they all retired now

I guess this is what this six week process is all about. Carter was initially positive about it (the pic in the Express is still painfully ingrained on my mind). He comes across on the pessimistic side when it comes to the stadium issue which probably swayed people's opinion on it also. After 4 weeks nothing official has come out yet. Until then we're all guessing (educated ones from some).

I don't see why we need a statement from the Trust or club until the deadine has passed, until then we just have to wait. Once November arrives then i think a statement on progress (or not) should be issued to keep people in the loop but not before, we set a date so at least lets keep our side of the bargain.