So do you really think the coaching staff would consistently select a player who shirks physical contact ? Get real !

It does sometimes look like he shirks contact, see every time he has a kick to return or his effort for the Regan Grace try for examples.

Do you not think it could be that the game plan is set up in such a way that certain players do avoid heavy contact? Does Liam Finn routinely run into a 3 man tackle for example, or does he preserve himself by spinning the ball out and setting up a move? There are smaller pivots on the pitch who wouldn't last a full game if they were being smashed by forwards on a regular basis - and most fb's are now acting as pivots - so it seems entirely reasonable that they aren't expected to be involved in big collisions.

To suggest that Scott Grix is in any way a shirker, is just shameful.

You'd have to be extremely thick to not realise that Chris Chester clearly tells Grix to pass to one of the wingers if possible on kick returns since he's been doing it regularly all season. If the coach didn't want him doing it he would have told him by now.

So the next question is this then, why did Max not do this last year/ this year, if it is in a game plan for the full back to avoid any contact?

True but not when there is nothing to be gained, he threw a 10 yard pass to BJB on sunday who got smashed as he was catching the ball. That was in our own twenty and surely not worth the risk.

Personal opinion is that in recent games he looks scared when on the ball, not just kick returns. He seems to have stopped backing himself near the opponents line even when there is a gap. Also some of his defensive efforts have been extremely poor. As I said, watch the Regan Grace try back and have a look at his effort.

Max Jowitt is probably better at returning kicks than Grix is whereas Grix's strengths are in other areas where Max Jowitt is weaker. Would you rather Grix took all the returns in? I wouldn't, MCB and BJB are both faster and better kick returners and it leaves Grix free to start organising the attack.

Because of course the game plan never, ever changes from one season to the next...? In fact, why aren't we still doing 5 drives and a kick like Kear used to do?!

Totally agree. Too many errors over the past few weeks

So, you suggest that a FB as a position acts as a pivot, so doesnt get involved in the collisions as part of a game plan. Yet when Max has played this season, he hasn't avoided the collisions......

He doesn't avoid collisions though does he? He just passes to a winger if the pass is on, probably since his coach tells him to do that.

I think Max Jowitt is a good player but the way some people talk about him on here you'd think we had one of the Aussie immortals being kept out of the team. There was even a guy on here who knew some Dewsbury fans and he said they weren't particularly that impressed by Max Jowitt when he was on loan there.

You don't really like other peoples opinions do you.

There were lots of times in last Sunday's game when I thought we were. How many times did you see the ball pass between more than two pairs of hands and out to the wings? Alright, the defense were very quick off the mark (offside?) and closed us down, but there didn't seem many attempts to move the ball along the line.

Can't understand why he's not selected, because I believe Grix is looking a little jaded, I agree with some others on here: why was he dropped after that Salford performance?

Sorry lads but i cant stand this max v grix debate , the kids called jowitt ,fox was foxy ,poynton was poynton , any thing else is pathetic. Grix makes mistakes yes but he can win a game , ive said it before jowitts a good support player but he cant tackle , ive heard folk on here talk about grixies positional play, com,on never seen young jowitt get within a couple of yards of anyone scoring a try agains us .,why do you think jowitt if hes as good as some say on here isnt getting his chance , the coach thinks grix is the best choice ,simple