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| He is from Leigh and has spent time in Cas surely the concept of innocent until proven otherwise can not possibly legally apply.
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| Quote: FIL "I've not seen the update, but if he has been re-bailed until March then it will be police bail, rather than court bail. What this means is that he will have to return to the police station in March for a decision on whether he will be charged or not. Assuming he is then charged in March, he would then be bailed to appear at the local (Wigan ??) magistrates court probably a couple of weeks later, however due to the potentially serious charges that he could be facing, then it could be passed up to the Crown Court (Manchester is more likely than Leeds) which is likely to be up to a year further down the line......which all means that he could potentially be available to play for us all season
Forgot the incident happened over there tbh.
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| Play him... Obviously not straight forward otherwise he'd have been charged as it's been a while since the incident. No smoke without fire but he is innocent until proven guilty...as said hypothetical but GBH will end up at Manchester Crown Court. so could be next summer.
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| Well it's not up to me but I would because for me if he's willing to play and is serious about it he for my money turns us into a true top 8 contender.
He owe the club that much at least.
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| If he plays better not tackle anyone or he will be up in front of the rfl for being over aggressive
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| Quote: Kenny236 "If he plays better not tackle anyone or he will be up in front of the rfl for being over aggressive'"
I should imagine he will now be a more marked man than ever now.
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| Quote: bren2k "I've been in the position a few times at work, and we usually make a decision based on the nature of the charges; if the alleged offence is something that could bring the company into disrepute or put the vulnerable people we work with at risk (fraud, violence etc) then we either suspend or get rid. If the charges are unrelated to the work we do, we sometimes keep people at work with a risk assessment in place and then deal with it if and when they are actually charged.'"
Really? You sack or suspend on an allegation? Haven't you to go through the courts and be found guilty before sacking someone?
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| Quote: JINJER "Really? You sack or suspend on an allegation? Haven't you to go through the courts and be found guilty before sacking someone?'"
I don't think so. I guess it depends on whether previous disciplinary issues have been involved, or if he already had a tight reign? But people get sacked all the time for non criminal behaviour!
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| Quote: TRB "I don't think so. I guess it depends on whether previous disciplinary issues have been involved, or if he already had a tight reign? But people get sacked all the time for non criminal behaviour!'"
Yeah I think it's all in your employment contract which nobody reads under code of conduct. Some companies are more specific than others especially when the employee is working directly with the public.
That said only a court or tribunal can enforce them should the sacked employee appeal but obviously you need a good lawyer or a strong union.
In most cases it's cut and dried and the employee walks without complaint - for example smacking the forman in the gob
We could probably sack him from what I've read but if in the end he's not charged or worse found not guilty we will get stuffed by him.
In this case it's better to wait imho unless there are other issues we are not privy to.
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| Quote: vastman "Yeah I think it's all in your employment contract which nobody reads under code of conduct. Some companies are more specific than others especially when the employee is working directly with the public.
That said only a court or tribunal can enforce them should the sacked employee appeal but obviously you need a good lawyer or a strong union.
In most cases it's cut and dried and the employee walks without complaint - for example smacking the forman in the gob
We could probably sack him from what I've read but if in the end he's not charged or worse found not guilty we will get stuffed by him.
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n this case it's better to wait imho unless there are other issues we are not privy to.'"
I think Vasty, there's more chance of me wearing the number 9 shirt next season than him being not guilty.
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| People on here talk about sacking him as being "the right thing" to do. But is it?
If he has a problem and the club are aware of it, dont we have a duty of care to him to try and get him the help he may need? . All the state of mind things happening in Rugby League at the moment suggests he is not alone in this.
Nobody wants to see another Terry Newton type tragedy in our sport.
I do not know the guy but he certainly seems very jekyl and hyde, and may have some "issues"
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| Innocent till proven guilty as far as I'm concerned. He's got form for being a wrong'un but he puts his body on the line and gives 100% to the cause when he's playing.
Let the wheels of justice turn and evaluate in March. Such a shame as he seems a decent bloke when you speak to him, just got to grow up a bit.
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| Quote: JINJER "Really? You sack or suspend on an allegation? Haven't you to go through the courts and be found guilty before sacking someone?'"
You have to suspend (on full pay) on an allegation or misconduct.Pending the outcome of the investigation would either see no further action or dismissal.Standard practise.
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| Quote: Big lads mate "I think Vasty, there's more chance of me wearing the number 9 shirt next season than him being not guilty.'"
Trust me I agree, I was generalising tbh.
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| My line up below.
The A Tupou situation unclear if he does go then Sio replaces him at 13 with wood onto bench
Wood for Moore if he's doing porridge
Max Jowitt
Ben Jones-Bishop
Bill Tupou
Mason Caton-Brown
Tom Johnston
Jacob Miller
Sam Williams
Anthony England
Scott Moore
Craig Huby
Danny Kirkmond
Marty Ashurst
Antony Tupou
David Fifita
Mikey Sio
Mitch Allgood
Tinirau Arona
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