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| We aren't moving out, Sheffield are moving in!
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| Quote: Wakefield No 1 "We aren't moving out, Sheffield are moving in!
Purely speculation on my part here, but, assuming Shefffield did have a season at BV, would we have double header home games or would that be too complicated finance wise?
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| Quote: Prince Buster "I feel sorry for Michael Carter they guy has been defecated on from several angles. If things don't change I believe the guy has no other option other than to leave.
Belle Vue is no longer fit for purpose , so what choice has the guy got ?
He will most likely choose Dewsbury and if its a move to there, or anywhere else (except Cas) I will hold my hand up now and back the guy 100%'"
Totally agree, we will never move forward as a club until ground is sorted, when MC first got involved with the club Newmarket was our future, I'm backing MC and how he chooses to move our club forward and anyone who loves WTRLFC should too.
Up the Trin
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| It all boils down to greed and the fact that those who have all the money want more and the ordinary man in the street and Rugby League supporter can "Sod off" as far as they're concerned.
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| Quote: bellycouldtackle "Peter Box is the only person who can make anything happen, so we will get nothing as it is 100 % down to him, he does not want sports facilities at Newmarket, he does not want BV rebuilt and he undoubtedly wants Trinity to fail. He has played a blinder, Newmarket will get developed without sports facilities so Box will say .. good for jobs. Box is working with Yorkcourt to make sure that no monies are paid to rebuild BV, Box will ensure that Yorkcourt will get all the planning permission they want and need at Newmarket. If anyone doubts that have a look at the 42 m high box built at Newmarket, original planning consent at Newmarket stated 13 m height plus of course the Box special of allowing it to be built and not be included in the amount of land to be developed before the stadium trigger point was reached. The final Box special will be that he will say that the council have built a stadium for Wakefield to play out of in Cas. And yet as always the people of Wakefield will keep voting him in and the local press will simple not look into Box and his dealings, they just do and print what Box wants. Massive credit to all who continue the fight for justice, he has to be the most frustrating task ever dealing with Box.'"
Excellent post belly. The thing is it's Box's fellow councillors that vote him into that position, not the likes of thee and me. Those said councillors dare not do any different than vote him in time after time. He's a dictator
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| Quote: Tricky2309 "That's unfortunately how I see it too. The only way we were ever likely to get the Stadium was if Yorkcourt were not allowed to lay a brick until they had enough people signed up to buy plots on the development to fund the stadium build and provided proof of the same.
We can blame the council and they are certainly responsible for some failings along the way, but I think the Planning Inspector for the SoS is ultimately to blame for allowing the trigger point of 60,000 meaning Yorkcourt were always going to realise some profit from the land and be able to walk away saying they had not breached their obligations.'"
You have been brainwashed by the machine I'm afraid. It is the local authority that have control of planning conditions and their implimentation. This is not the fault of the SoS, whatever some may wish us to think.
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| Quote: TRB "You have been brainwashed by the machine I'm afraid. It is the local authority that have control of planning conditions and their implimentation. This is not the fault of the SoS, whatever some may wish us to think.'"
But surely the SoS inspector could have changed those conditions as part of their decision to approve and pass back to the local authority?
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| If York court/council fulfill their currupt Newmarket plan and we end up with absolutely nothing from them. Can the Belle Vue plan be financed any other way? or is it back to the drawing board?
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| Quote: Tricky2309 "But surely the SoS inspector could have changed those conditions as part of their decision to approve and pass back to the local authority?'"
Its not uncommon to allow a Devleloper to build out part of a site first particularly when the site requires a large amount of expensive upfront infrastructure to enable him then to fund the subject of the S106 Agreement.
The 60,000 m2 of building is not the real problem but the Planning Authorities failure to ensure that the massive Newcold development is captured by the agreement. If they had done their job properly almost three quarters of the trigger figure would have been met. As it stands the "clock" is still at zero.
The SoS is not the bad guy here.
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| The bad guy is the developer. Yes quite obviously the council have been far from helpful but even if they had included the giant white box within the trigger point then Yorkcourt still would be able to build in excess of another 21,000m2 of development without building us a stadium. I don't think they ever had any intention of going past this figure and never will. As it stands they haven't done anything illegal so there is no legal challenge against them and whilst trying to take on on the council might bloody a few noses and give a sense of satisfaction it won't get us a stadium even if we were successful in court. Given that further alienating the local authority could be counter productive moving forward is it worth the expense and risk of a challenge? My heart would say do it but my head says no. It's a tough call.
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| Quote: Sacred Cow "The bad guy is the developer. Yes quite obviously the council have been far from helpful but even if they had included the giant white box within the trigger point then Yorkcourt still would be able to build in excess of another 21,000m2 of development without building us a stadium. I don't think they ever had any intention of going past this figure and never will. As it stands they haven't done anything illegal so there is no legal challenge against them and whilst trying to take on on the council might bloody a few noses and give a sense of satisfaction it won't get us a stadium even if we were successful in court. Given that further alienating the local authority could be counter productive moving forward is it worth the expense and risk of a challenge? My heart would say do it but my head says no. It's a tough call.'"
I don't think the developer is the bad guy at all. They're a business, whose purpose is to make money. They agreed to the terms of the s.106 in order to get planning permission, but if they can get around it because of a weak LA then why shouldn't they? Morals in business are a rare attribute, unfortunately. They must have been laughing their socks off when the LA granted permission for Coldstore outside the s.106. The economic climate has also not been conducive to this type of development, so delays were inevitable. The problem lies with the LA who still hide behind semantics and deny responsibility for planning issues in the district.
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| Surly it's time for a full update that we were promised Lock stock and barrel
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| Quote: Tricky2309 "But surely the SoS inspector could have changed those conditions as part of their decision to approve and pass back to the local authority?'"
The area to the trigger point was reduced during the process (I think it was 100,000 originally), but there is nothing wrong with the trigger point, just the willingness to abide by it, hence we believe it comes back to the overseeing planning authority.
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| Quote: Wholly Trinity "I don't think the developer is the bad guy at all. They're a business, whose purpose is to make money. They agreed to the terms of the s.106 in order to get planning permission, but if they can get around it because of a weak LA then why shouldn't they? Morals in business are a rare attribute, unfortunately. They must have been laughing their socks off when the LA granted permission for Coldstore outside the s.106. The economic climate has also not been conducive to this type of development, so delays were inevitable. The problem lies with the LA who still hide behind semantics and deny responsibility for planning issues in the district.'"
The first part of your message is spot on, but the bit about economic climate is not. In Wakefield we have seen Trinity Walk and Merchant Gate completed and warehouses at Normanton (By the dozen) and at Knottingly. There has been plenty of business, but why is NM not even signposted? He doesn't want to do business IMO
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| Quote: Sacred Cow ". Given that further alienating the local authority could be counter productive moving forward '"
I really have to disagree with this point. The local authority or should that be the person in total control of it, has an agenda against the club. He can't be alienated anymore than he is , he hates us and that's all there is to it.
Look at the state and the mess we are in as a result of this and all the false promises made by WMDC.
Then compare that to Cas who are getting a stadium GIVEN TO THE CLUB and not to a trust. They don't even have to try over there, they don't need a swag set up or anything. Their development is on green belt just like Newmarket, but they did not have to jump through hoops and have a full public enquiry, things just seem to miraculously drop into place !!!
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