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Quote: Redscat "Been a supporter for many. many years, but never bothered with pre-season friendlies and never will. They're just bulled-up, meaningless training sessions with over inflated admission charges. Results such as the Leigh v Wigan game bear this out'"

Got that right mate... Wigan never seem to win their friendlies !!

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Quote: vastman "Don't agree at all - that's the way to destroy a player. If these were real games maybe, but to do it to him because of a few friendles shows zero faith - might as well give him to Cas now and save the bother.'"


What's the difference between dropping a player because of poor performances in a game and dropping a player because of poor performances in training?
It's nothing to do with destroying a player it's about having the right players on the pitch on game day. He's still young, he will improve but the way to destroy him is to leave him in the team when he's not at the right level (defensively)

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Quote: vastman "I'm surprised at you, you gleemed all that from a friendly - can't say I agree.'"


Feel free. I was disappointed today, but not despondent! We showed frailties, but that's the point isn't it, to find them in order to work on them. I wasn't bothered that we lost at all, but we were well beaten in the second half and you have to credit Cas for some pretty decent play that we could not manage ourselves.

We will probably get more benefit from today's game than Cas will, provided the information is used correctly, and of that is here is little doubt!

Still looking up, but today was challenging.

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Once again, 98% of tries scored on the edges have their Genesis at the play the ball, defences work from the middle OUT, if you get a lazy marker who doesn't push out onto the A defender then the A cannot push out onto B and so on. What happens then is the attacking team gain an extra player (or two) on the outside which means the outside defenders have to jam in, in an attempt to shut the play down but that's exactly what the attacking team want as it means they go out the back and create the overlap.

If the outside defenders don't step in then the attacking team hit the lead runner who goes between the inside defender who's turned in or been static and the outside defender who's stayed out on his opposite number.

In both cases the problem starts because of lazy inside defenders!

Being caught in no mans land out on the wing is not necessarily the wingers fault but a systemic breakdown which requires lots if coaching in order to fix it!

Those writing Tom Johnstone off because Solomona got a bag full of tries need to learn how the game is played!

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Quote: The Avenger "Once again, 98% of tries scored on the edges have their Genesis at the play the ball, defences work from the middle OUT, if you get a lazy marker who doesn't push out onto the A defender then the A cannot push out onto B and so on. What happens then is the attacking team gain an extra player (or two) on the outside which means the outside defenders have to jam in, in an attempt to shut the play down but that's exactly what the attacking team want as it means they go out the back and create the overlap.

If the outside defenders don't step in then the attacking team hit the lead runner who goes between the inside defender who's turned in or been static and the outside defender who's stayed out on his opposite number.

In both cases the problem starts because of lazy inside defenders!

Being caught in no mans land out on the wing is not necessarily the wingers fault but a systemic breakdown which requires lots if coaching in order to fix it!'"


Spot on. The thing we need to fix up most is in the middle of the park - this is where our 'strength' is, but we were beaten there today and hence beaten out wide. We contained Leeds and hence gave ourselves a chance to win that game.

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Sorry but I thought finny was bloody garage and miller was nowhere ,tbf Luke gale ran the show

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Quote: ScrummingJumper "What's the difference between dropping a player because of poor performances in a game and dropping a player because of poor performances in training?
It's nothing to do with destroying a player it's about having the right players on the pitch on game day. He's still young, he will improve but the way to destroy him is to leave him in the team when he's not at the right level (defensively)'"

Spot on comment, have to agree 100%

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We let mcshane run 10 yards every time from a ptb our second marker should be hitting him not stoud watching,we are so nieve in defence

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Quote: cosmicat "Sorry but I thought finny was bloody garage and miller was nowhere ,tbf Luke gale ran the show'"

miller was targeted,his defence was good for a small man.Powell got his team to run at him which took him out of the game.Miller and Gibson I thought were our best players out there regarding commitment.

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What pees me off is we know Johnstone is suspect in defence but hope is attacking abilities will give a balance. How come he receives his 1st pass out on the wing in the 78th minute?
Also, Tupou and Lyne, who are both pretty lethargic managed to cover their side pretty effectively.

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I'm not reading to much into it,, from what I observed, 3 of there tries looked in touch, silver wood was shocking, there line speed was good as always offside,
Our forwards matched them and worked hard, however our backs were torn to shreds, cas were fast and there backs look a unit that have had seasons together under there belt,
Kirkmond missed is man on numerous occasions
Finn will not play that bad again
Miller needs to pull his finger out,
And cas just like Fev found our weak wing and took advantage, Gibson and Johnson really left exposed on both games,
And agree with previous Luke gale ran the show always dangerous,
Lynne had one chance and took it, great finish,
I watched Warrington get hammered at the jungle 46-6 last year, it's horrible place to go, friendly or not,
No conclusions to be drawn till after weeks 1-3 of the SL

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Quote: cosmicat "We let mcshane run 10 yards every time from a ptb our second marker should be hitting him not stoud watching,we are so nieve in defence'"


Why should the 2nd marker be hitting/tackling him?

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Quote: The Avenger "Once again, 98% of tries scored on the edges have their Genesis at the play the ball, defences work from the middle OUT, if you get a lazy marker who doesn't push out onto the A defender then the A cannot push out onto B and so on. What happens then is the attacking team gain an extra player (or two) on the outside which means the outside defenders have to jam in, in an attempt to shut the play down but that's exactly what the attacking team want as it means they go out the back and create the overlap.

If the outside defenders don't step in then the attacking team hit the lead runner who goes between the inside defender who's turned in or been static and the outside defender who's stayed out on his opposite number.

In both cases the problem starts because of lazy inside defenders!

Being caught in no mans land out on the wing is not necessarily the wingers fault but a systemic breakdown which requires lots if coaching in order to fix it!

Those writing Tom Johnstone off because Solomona got a bag full of tries need to learn how the game is played!'"



I'm not writing Johnstone off at all. He is very good and in attack is outstanding.
But if he drops the ball under no pressure and let's tries down his wing he has to be questioned, whether he is one of our own kids or not.
Confidence should be built but it won't be built if people keep running past him.

If it's the slide on the defence I'd still like to see him make a tackle to force the mistake. Needs work but worth it.

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Quote: PopTart "I'm not writing Johnstone off at all. He is very good and in attack is outstanding.
But if he drops the ball under no pressure and let's tries down his wing he has to be questioned, whether he is one of our own kids or not.
Confidence should be built but it won't be built if people keep running past him.

If it's the slide on the defence I'd still like to see him make a tackle to force the mistake. Needs work but worth it.'"


If he drops the ball under no pressure then fair enough there's some individual coaching to do with Johnstone.

The second part of what you've said is the bit I have an issue with, he may or may not be a good defender, the truth is we don't know because he's constantly being let down by his inside defence and the issues they're having in working consistently to a system.

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The important word about today's game is friendly, why worry it was a run out nothing more. At best they help with getting players match fit, the players know points are not at stake and looking at the attendance many of the supporters did.
If you look at the friendlies this season by all clubs, you would be worried if you are Hull KR and even Wigan and Saints have not exactly set the games alight. I doubt the latter two will be hitting the panic button.
We have just survived probably our worst season on record so let's just be happy we have another season to correct our errors. We will lose games all teams do, what matters is that we have progressed from last season and I believe we have so let's wait and see.

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