Don't agree totally, Walker isn't in this for money like the other two - it's prestige in his case so he has a lot to lose - I suspect he wouldn't have taken on this role had he known it would be this difficult but luckily it's now to late.

Don't trust that TRB, very shifty

Not patronising at all and is probably right on the mark.

First of all i have the utmost respect for mc but it could be a wise move for yorkcourt if they buy belle vue rent it back to us then sell it on at a profit. It would be better if the trust put their version in the public domain or is it that bad an offer as mc says its not worth talking about.One thing for sure time is running out for us

The problem is we have no idea what MC's will accept because if it is Newmarket or nothing I think he will get the latter. I know what the developer says they are offering backed this time by Walker which is not good for MC because until now Rodney has remained neutral.
I would ask those in the know what do we want in the interim and presuming Rodney was at the same meeting as you why is he now happy to accept the temporary measure. I worry it as now become way too personal with MC and the club against all others. We are not in a strong position, we have given notice on Belle Vue making the BOI happy. We keep trying to have a go at the council whilst at the same time as wanting them to look at putting an heritage condition on the ground. I don't know who are advising the club but human nature suggests that trying to push people into corners just make them more determined not to do it.
I think that other than the club the rest of the parties have just had enough and are probably getting near to say that's it accept it or not this is our final offer whatever that is.

You have missed the point.

This is nothing to do with the "shall we stay at BV" option in which YC give the TRUST - NOT THE CLUB the ground and a pot full of cash to do it up in return for abandoning NM. This is a measure where YC buy BV and add it to their portfolio and then rent it at a lower rate to THE CLUB not THE TRUST as a short term measure to allegedly help all concerned with the club and NM.

YC are not giving us anything and if they actually get BV cheap will have profited again and have us over yet another barrel if they so wished.

I'm not against the stay at BV option with the right deal - however this offer is not that.

What you need to get your head around is that although the club is part of the negotiations for NM it is but a bit player. NM could be built and if he wished Carter could reject the move. Ditto the Trust could decide against making Trinity an actor tenant if they wished. Both unlikely but that's the reality.

I'l say it again, NM and or redeveloping BV though connected are not the same issue as moving to Dewsbury or this latest offer from YC.

You must also consider that Yorkcourt could buy the ground and just develop it themselves. We will then have no ground and no possibility of getting a ground because they could ague that we are being unreasonable by rejecting their proposal.
I note MC is to put his side on Monday which I will read with interest even though I think it is too late he should have done it when asked by WE. I would also point out that we cannot take legal action because we cannot afford to do so therefore our threats are hollow.

This has been clumsily handled by the Club and the Trust in my view, resulting in them being comprehensively outmanoeuvred by WMDC and YCP, who have no doubt colluded to create the public perception that with a workable solution on the table, the club are being intransigent by refusing to cooperate - and they've succeeded in doing so.

The only way that MC can salvage this is to have a full expose of the *whole* story in the media - I'd start with the RL media and work towards getting Look North to pick it up; sometimes, the best form of defence is attack and in this instance, I'd suggest that upping the ante is probably a good strategy. What have we got to lose? With the combined expertise of WMDC, YCP and now Rodney Walker working against us, it's probably reasonable to go all in and hope to get ourselves back in the game with the weight of public opinion behind us.

Us being who?

I get the point but I don't wish to be lumped in with MC anymore than I did Glover. MC has his own agenda, what it is or whether it's good or bad I don't know but I bet it's not like mine or yours. I certainly don't consider him one of us any more than Glover. That's not necessarily a bad thing, Ted was one of us and that IMHO never really helped.

We the fans probably share very similar ideals even if expressed in radically different ways - so I'd say all including MC are conspiring against us not just the obvious baddies - that's assuming you believe there is a a conspiracy.

That's the sad thing about this - you have people in SWAG and many others who have no agenda and nothing to gain other than a future for the club trying to create a dialogue and a common belief with a group of people we don't really trust and who it has to be said don't trust us (SWAG) de facto the fans voice. We are at the mercy of these people as they manoeuvre to get their share. I would particularly like to single out WMDC and to a lesser degree YC and the Express - however all hats being worn are various shades of grey. We the fans (SWAG) don't even get a hat.

That's a very good point - I guess there is no 'us' in the sense that I meant it and you've described that very well; nobody with any bargaining power is representing what the fans want so as it stands, we're just bystanders to the manoeuvrings of a group of people with very different agendas.

It's a right old mess - I can't predict how it will turn out, but it seems abundantly clear that we, the fans, will not get what we want, despite the best efforts of some hardworking people.

I still hope we will simply because those guys don't ever give in (wish they were players).

However I can't see it being any time soon and way off what YC/WMDC promised. The law is still on our side but we all know how slow that can be.

I'm personally not broken yet but frankly it's made supporting the club and the city a joyless task in recent years and that's not including this years on field debacle

I would like to know how many cosy lunch dates it took for the 3 wise monkeys (Box, Mackie & Walker) to dream this up.

Yes and maybe the conservative mp that is having meetings with yorkcourt, help out?? Sounds just up their street...

Didn't MC state that he was going to be honest and open when he took over the reins at Wakefield TRINITY: there again didn't Andrew Glover?
By the way, for anyone who wants to take it up, Private Eye magazine runs a column each Issue entitled "Rotten Boroughs" in which wrong doings and malpractices by Local Authorities are highlighted and investigated!!!

Given what has been in the press does Carter actually want to stay at Belle Vue? I remember a quote in an article when he announced the notice had been given saying that in his opinion BV just didn't work anymore as a venue because of the state of it. Would he be happier playing elsewhere and without the hassle and expense? Articles like the one in the express this week doesn't help him if so.