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| I hope they reply as this will clear up some questions.
Just into the response to the one or two who are turning out the "the sports corrupt I shall never attend again"
Line, was this your response when you were awarded a license in 2011. This forum was like a morgue, you had all accepted you were going down. Then when you were awarded a license you were over the moon to be awarded the license despite been in admin and not doing any work on your stadium. Was the sport corrupt then?
Some posts make out like Wakefield have always been honest and are always been shafted by the RFL. If the RFL wanted to shaft you then you would have been relegated when you went into admin.
Our clubs have been run very similarly, both went bust, both saved by local business men on white horses, both turned out to be false dawns and left the clubs in a mess again. You were taken over by MC and he's doing a fine Job, the debate on whether the RFL really did tell you would be relegated and if so what the reasons were.
I believe our directors will be as good for the Bulls as MC will be for Wakey. Just SOME posts make out like Wakey are alway been picked on when you have benefitted in the passed from RFL "Rules" and your club has been as badly run in the past as ours has. Always the sane people who suffer though. The fans.
I hope the RFL do reply to this letter though.
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| Quote: M@islebugs "
The fans of the Bradford Bulls, helped by other supporters raised 500k to pay creditors whereas in similar circumstances your fans refused to contribute anything (remember?)
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OK, if you say so.
Our fans were advised not to contribute to a collection of funds unless we could get some answers as to where the money would go, who/what would be paid off, and where that left us going forward. Our then Chairman couldn't or wouldn't answer those questions satisfactorily so rather than see us temporarily postpone the inevitable, our Supporters Trust advised against it.
Having been through that our Trust then advised your Trust to ask the same questions. As it turned out the 500k you refer to that was raised actually went into paying off your board who then scarpered and put the club into admin leaving the creditors that you refer to above with very little in the way of payment - or am I remembering the incidents wrong??
Perhaps if I'm wrong you can tell me why so soon after raising a huge sum of money your club still went into admin unable to pay it's debts??
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| Quote: M@islebugs "
The fans of the Bradford Bulls, helped by other supporters raised 500k to pay creditors whereas in similar circumstances your fans refused to contribute anything (remember?)
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I do remember that Trinity fans were not prepared to go around scrounging with begging buckets.
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| I know that MC has got plenty on his plate and probably can't be bothered getting involved in this issue but, as he is the guy who informed the Wakey fans of the Admin = Relegation scenario, has anyone spoken to him for clarification n this issue.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "I know that MC has got plenty on his plate and probably can't be bothered getting involved in this issue but, as he is the guy who informed the Wakey fans of the Admin
I guess he may be asked that tomorrow at 6pm on Radio Leeds
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| Quote: Trinity 61 "I guess he may be asked that tomorrow at 6pm on Radio Leeds'"
Hopefully this will clarify things one way or the other. I hope he doesn't dodge the question (not that I expect him to).
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| Quote: Fordy "OK, if you say so.
Our fans were advised not to contribute to a collection of funds unless we could get some answers as to where the money would go, who/what would be paid off, and where that left us going forward. Our then Chairman couldn't or wouldn't answer those questions satisfactorily so rather than see us temporarily postpone the inevitable, our Supporters Trust advised against it.
Having been through that our Trust then advised your Trust to ask the same questions. As it turned out the 500k you refer to that was raised actually went into paying off your board who then scarpered and put the club into admin leaving the creditors that you refer to above with very little in the way of payment - or am I remembering the incidents wrong??
Perhaps if I'm wrong you can tell me why so soon after raising a huge sum of money your club still went into admin unable to pay it's debts??'"
You're remembering wrongly and they weren't my board or anyone else who did everything they could to maintain the club's integrity despite the mismanagement of certain individuals. If you want to play ethical tag, we tried to pay the clubs debts, you didn't. This thread, or the letter, isn't about the Bradford Bulls, 'fairness' or even the RFL.
The thread and the letter are about the last 40 years of Wakefield Trinity.
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| Quote: hullbg "Saw this letter doing the rounds on social media today and think it is a great letter.
Sadly I doubt a response will be received and if it is, then i highly doubt it will answer any of the pertinent questions.
All everyone wants is a level playing field, sadly it is more mount pleasant than wembley.'"
The only letter coming out of Red Hall will no doubt go to the Wakefield Board and they will be telling them to "bring their Trust to heel " or else , I just hope the Wakefield Board stand by their Trust and tell the RFL that the Trust is independant and has no intention of leaning on them.
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| Quote: Fordy "You never know. Maybe the RFL will actually do the right thing and not give the £300k to Bradford but use it instead to directly pay the creditors to stop Bradford spending it elsewhere.
Let's see:
£180k an go straight to pay off the dodgy loan
£60k straight to HMRC to pay their tax bill
£900k to pay back Omar's Directors Loans
Then just give them whatever's left. So 300 - (180+60+900)
at least we can see the funny side of things
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| Quote: Bull Mania "I hope they reply as this will clear up some questions.
Some posts make out like Wakefield have always been honest and are always been shafted by the RFL. If the RFL wanted to shaft you then you would have been relegated when you went into admin. '"
Because there was no club strong enough (business wise) to replace us from the Championship. Us staying in the league at that time was well within the rules.
Quote: Bull Mania "Our clubs have been run very similarly, both went bust, both saved by local business men on white horses, both turned out to be false dawns and left the clubs in a mess again. You were taken over by MC and he's doing a fine Job, the debate on whether the RFL really did tell you would be relegated and if so what the reasons were. '"
True both our clubs went bust but the big difference was we slashed our budget down to the bare minimum to avoid going into admin in 2011. A whole host of top paid players went from mid season 2010 onwards. leading upto to admin Bradford continued to operate with a near full salary cap team, no sense of urgency from Peter Hood to avoid the car crash heading your way at all. Even worse was the difference in the way the teams was treated while in administration. It's common knowledge now but one big difference is that the RFL didn't pay our players wages. While you got a whip round from other clubs we got the vultures from others clubs picking the bones.
Quote: Bull Mania "I believe our directors will be as good for the Bulls as MC will be for Wakey. Just SOME posts make out like Wakey are always been picked on when you have benefited in the passed from RFL "Rules" and your club has been as badly run in the past as ours has. Always the sane people who suffer though. The fans.'"
No way have we been as badly run as your club as I've said everything was done to avoid admin in 2011 by us and again in 2013 (fingers crossed successfully). On the last point, I don't see what suffering the Bulls fans have had to go through, don't you get it your too big to fail you'll never get relegated while the RFL have stake in your club. I'd be snug as a bug with that if I was a Bulls fan.
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| Quote: deeHell "Because there was no club strong enough (business wise) to replace us from the Championship. Us staying in the league at that time was well within the rules.
True both our clubs went bust but the big difference was we slashed our budget down to the bare minimum to avoid going into admin in 2011. A whole host of top paid players went from mid season 2010 onwards. leading upto to admin Bradford continued to operate with a near full salary cap team, no sense of urgency from Peter Hood to avoid the car crash heading your way at all. Even worse was the difference in the way the teams was treated while in administration. It's common knowledge now but one big difference is that the RFL didn't pay our players wages. While you got a whip round from other clubs we got the vultures from others clubs picking the bones.
No way have we been as badly run as your club as I've said everything was done to avoid admin in 2011 by us and again in 2013 (fingers crossed successfully). On the last point, I don't see what suffering the Bulls fans have had to go through, don't you get it your too big to fail you'll never get relegated while the RFL have stake in your club. I'd be snug as a bug with that if I was a Bulls fan.'"
Nothing was done by 'you' to avoid administration in 2011. The board asked for support from the supporters to meet the demands of creditors and you refused. A buyer came in, bought the club and came to some arrangement with the creditors.
In marked contrast the Bradford Bulls fans DID do everything to avoid administration raising £500k.
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| Quote: M@islebugs "Nothing was done by 'you' to avoid administration in 2011. The board asked for support from the supporters to meet the demands of creditors and you refused. A buyer came in, bought the club and came to some arrangement with the creditors.
In marked contrast the Bradford Bulls fans DID do everything to avoid administration raising £500k.'"
That is because you were stupid not to relaise the size of your debt! didn't the 500 k just pay off the loans that your directors had secured meaning they had no liability? yes you lot are very STUPID!
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| Quote: M@islebugs "Nothing was done by 'you' to avoid administration in 2011. The board asked for support from the supporters to meet the demands of creditors and you refused. A buyer came in, bought the club and came to some arrangement with the creditors.
In marked contrast the Bradford Bulls fans DID do everything to avoid administration raising £500k.'"
but that £500k needed to be nearly 3 times more, you was had and it hurts
you was not prepared to listen to our trust as you thought you could sort it your selves live with it
I have lost all patience with the RFL and while I don't want the Bradford RFL to go all together nothing less than dropping out of super league is the right decision,
Bradford have retained players that should keep them up even with a 6 points deduction and that stinks, our club was decimated last time we was in admin and this time have let players go so we didn't do the same
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| Quote: snowie "but that £500k needed to be nearly 3 times more, you was had and it hurts
you was not prepared to listen to our trust as you thought you could sort it your selves live with it
I have lost all patience with the RFL and while I don't want the Bradford RFL to go all together nothing less than dropping out of super league is the right decision,
Bradford have retained players that should keep them up even with a 6 points deduction and that stinks, our club was decimated last time we was in admin and this time have let players go so we didn't do the same'"
This.
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| Quote: M@islebugs "Nothing was done by 'you' to avoid administration in 2011. The board asked for support from the supporters to meet the demands of creditors and you refused. A buyer came in, bought the club and came to some arrangement with the creditors.
In marked contrast the Bradford Bulls fans DID do everything to avoid administration raising £500k.'"
Half way through the 2010 season we offloaded our 2 best players and top earners Danny Brough and Shane Tronc. At the end of that season we slashed the playing budget even further to a wage bill of comfortably less than a Million. In the lead up to your 2012 admin you continued with a playing budget that was near the full salary cap all supported by a first secret loan from the RFL. That followed the big lie from yourselves and the RFL that the lease was bought on the grounds that it was to protect the iconic status of Odsal. A lot of this assistant went to prop up a large playing salary. Your cloth should of been cut before any kind of assistance was offered, this would of been the the only fair and consistent way. Why did you as club feel this was not an option? My personal opinion and its a general perception in the game is that you think its beneath you as you still see yourselves as big club despite what your finances tell you.
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