there aren't many Jamie Lyon's though. That's what I mean, the Saint's fans and club iteself didn't wat rid of him as such, it just didn't work out due to injury really. He got intot he england side through Saints, so he must have been doing somehing right

Got in England side probably because he played for Saints. Would he have got in playing for Cas.

He played for England while at Cas but your point still stands. He had to do it at Sts to be regarded rather than at Cas.

Put with real emotion but sadly nothing to do with what I was saying. The point being answered was that these players had stayed downt lane because Cas made a big effort to retain them and reward a perceived loyalty by Cas.

My argument is that they never really had much to fear other than in Shenton's case which IMHO was all smoke and mirrors and Clark's case which is yet to be concluded. Huby is a decent player and I'm sure Saints were interested - but this was clearly not at a pay rate that was tempting enough or Huby showed an astonishing lack of ambition considering Saints success in recent times.

Thought thas thread was about our home grown players ,backs up what I said earlier in it , folk don't wanna debate what happened to our lads, sooner talk about our friends across the city

I think it is fair to discuss other "academies" if we are comparing to ours.
You are right that we have got stuck on particular players but Cas is a good comparison to Wakefield.
We are both in the lower half of the league, both have less money than most other clubs, both can easily (geographically speaking) recruit from the other teams recruitment area. Yet if one is perceived to be better than the other, it would be good to understand why.

This thread consists of 6pages half to do with cas ,I'm bored get on with it

I agree, there should be no threads on here that try scorer doesn't like, bad mods

In all seriousness though TryScorer, you are alledgedly in a great position to explain about how we can make our home grown players in to long serving 1st teamers.
Money apart, what should Wakefield be doing better?

i haven't had time to read the previous pages but the last ten minutes of sundays game we seemed to have more stucture and desire to go forward.

Think your just trying to wind me up pop tart my views have been given on here on many occasions think you all know my feelings on what happened to our youth ,I've even touched on it on this thread , but folk on here prefer not to listen , but eh most who come on here and wonder why nothings happened with our youths have never even seen a n academy game sorry lads sometimes its like trying to educate pork

I genuinely am not trying to wind you up.
I'm actually interested.

It's just sometimes hard to get the point when we get on a particular player.
Most on here are not coaches so don't know the inside story.

You do say we didn't invest in the youth but does that mean others did and we missed out? And if so what did they do?
And which players do you think would have kicked on if at another club?

I'm sure we'll go over the subject again so we can discuss another time.

Given that none of us have a time machine and acknowledging how bitter you are about what happened to that particular crop of youths, what do we need to do differently *in future* to stop it happening again?