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Quote: worksopwildcat "I dont buy that. If he did go off the rails it was down to a lack of mental strength. I sincerely hope that he has developed this in subsequent months/years. Smith is not the only person in the world who will have been criticised for his performance sporting or otherwise. If he cant cope with that then he is in the wrong environment.'"


icon_iamwithstupid.gif Think that goes without saying! Bipolar...poor mental strength!

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Quote: King Street Cat "Funny you should mention Tommy Lee, a player from last season's squad.

As I walked away from the game today, thoroughly fed up with losing yet another game that was there for the taking, I couldn't help but think how I'm not enjoying this season one bit and how I enjoyed last season 100%, no 1000% percent more. Many fans say that last season was our worst ever in Super League but was it really? Last season we had a team thrown together from kids and cast offs but with Morrison as captain and Kear as coach, we put in some half decent performances and picked up a few good wins along the way. I never went to one game last season expecting to win and when we did win it was a great feeling. The comeback at Wheldon Road and the last win at home to Bradford avoiding the bottom place were stand out games for me. I've not felt anything like I did at those games this season and probably won't.

The frustrating thing about this season is that we've got the players, we just aren't getting the performances. Even our wins against Catalans and Salford were nervy wins in the end in all honesty. Another 10 more minutes on the clock and we'd have lost both. There is only the Widnes game this season where we have been comfortable winners.

At 12-12 today, we looked like we were competing with (an albeit weakened (No Briers, Myler, Monaghan x2, Morley, Bridge) Warrington side and looked like we could win if we held our nerve. Even at 12-18 down, Marriano made a break but bombed the chance that would have seen us level again. To leave the ground 12-42 losers was shocking, embarrassing and not acceptable.

Some of the players on the field today have got twice the ability of last season's players but nowhere near the amount of grit and determination. I'm hating this season and can't wait for next season already. Fans should not be made to feel like this.'"


100% agree. Well said.

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Maybe the cheer was because Kyle Wood was coming on, not necessarily because Smith was going off.

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I think some fans need to stop making Tim the scapegoat and start looking at the bigger picture, I am not saying Tim is playing well but how can he pull the plays off move the team around the park when his pack are getting bullied and are it going forward? We could have the best half backs in the world playing for us but the bottom line is if your pack is not going forward and dominating then your not going to get the room space and time to put on the plays and for Tim to do his job, he is having to do everything John is not helping him one bit! Before anyone thinks am Tim smiths defence Lawyer Am really not just think fans need to be looking at other players before making Tim smith the scapegoat

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Quote: kingsway cat "

I dont really understand your point. Are you saying that because Tim Smith is bi polar he should not have his poor performance addressed ? The point about him showing a complete lack of respect to the coach (Morrisson)who was trying to address him on the field is that a bi polar behaviour ? Are you sure its not just the conduct of an ignorant individual that is not a team player ?
Finaly you claimed that because of his condition during the game he was "not on this planet" - Is that good for the team or indeed himself?

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Quote: woody01 "I think some fans need to stop making Tim the scapegoat and start looking at the bigger picture, I am not saying Tim is playing well but how can he pull the plays off move the team around the park when his pack are getting bullied and are it going forward? We could have the best half backs in the world playing for us but the bottom line is if your pack is not going forward and dominating then your not going to get the room space and time to put on the plays and for Tim to do his job, he is having to do everything John is not helping him one bit! Before anyone thinks am Tim smiths defence Lawyer Am really not just think fans need to be looking at other players before making Tim smith the scapegoat'"

eusa_clap.gif eusa_clap.gif my sentiments exactly but some don't seem to get it.

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Some of the replies/justifications for the cheering/jeering/booing at Tim Smith today are nearly as disgusting as the act of cheering/jeering/booing itself, I was disgusted to hear the cheers when TS was subbed and TBH Wood was far worse than smith and wee conceded more points whilst wood was on the pitch.
Smith is a class act but is not able to show his class often due to the constraints elsewhere in the team’s makeup, much the same can be said for John.
Next week is make or break a poor performance against cas again will see fans vote with their feet, some come on WTW let’s pull it out of the bag and get to Manchester in numbers to support "ALL" of our team.
BTW I think Mathers make a good captain he was defo communicating and organising things throughout the game icon_thumb.gif

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Quote: worksopwildcat "I dont really understand your point. Are you saying that because Tim Smith is bi polar he should not have his poor performance addressed ? The point about him showing a complete lack of respect to the coach (Morrisson)who was trying to address him on the field is that a bi polar behaviour ? Are you sure its not just the conduct of an ignorant individual that is not a team player ?
Finaly you claimed that because of his condition during the game he was "not on this planet" - Is that good for the team or indeed himself?'"


You said he had poor mental strength, therefore that was his reason for failure in the NRL...I said you don't need to be Einstein to realise that their poor mental strength underpins bipolar! In case you cant read I will say it again. He shouldn't be wrapped up in cotton wool because he is bipolar, but in my opinion the finger is pointed at him unnecessarily and he is made the scape goat. He isn't playing poorly, he is playing behind a pack and doing the best he can. What will probably be distressing for him is that he is actually trying his best FOR THE TEAM with less than adequate platform. Fans always, always will criticise the HB if points are not being scored, however they need to look at the wider picture.

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Quote: kingsway cat "You said he had poor mental strength, therefore that was his reason for failure in the NRL...I said you don't need to be Einstein to realise that their poor mental strength underpins bipolar! In case you cant read I will say it again. He shouldn't be wrapped up in cotton wool because he is bipolar, but in my opinion the finger is pointed at him unnecessarily and he is made the scape goat. He isn't playing poorly, he is playing behind a poop pack and doing the best he can. What will probably be distressing for him is that he is actually trying his best FOR THE TEAM with less than adequate platform. Fans always, always will criticise the HB if points are not being scored, however they need to look at the wider picture.'"


Just for the purpose of clarification. I did not say anything about his failure in the NRL, NOTHING. Furthermore you did not answer my questions NONE of them. Other than that thanks for the great insight you provided me with. Lastly you did call me stupid, I am currently managing to cope with this but if i do go off the rails because of the excessively harsh critiscim I will let you know.

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Quote: worksopwildcat "Just for the purpose of clarification. I did not say anything about his failure in the NRL, NOTHING. Furthermore you did not answer my questions NONE of them. Other than that thanks for the great insight you provided me with. Lastly you did call me stupid, I am currently managing to cope with this but if i do go off the rails because of the excessively harsh critiscim I will let you know.'"

From reading your posts on this thread you seem to be a bit of a moron who finds mental health problems a reason for ridicule.

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Quote: wildcat13 "From reading your posts on this thread you seem to be a bit of a moron who finds mental health problems a reason for ridicule.'"


You are entitled to your opinion but can assure you that I dont find mental health problems a reason for ridicule.

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I notice you didn't refute the "Moron" label though icon_wink.gif

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Quote: financialtimes "I notice you didn't refute the "Moron" label though
Its much less offensive to be honest, I can live with that.

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Quote: worksopwildcat "Dont agree with all this support the players no matter what tosh. If they cant handle disquiet from supporters then I worry about their mental toughness. By the way I am currently training a pup that at the moment is wazzing all over a variety of carpets in my house. I guess I am supposed to stand back and applaud him warmly before tickling his tummy and giving him a chocolate drop. I was thinking of berrating him in a direct manner and letting him know that he needs to change his behaviour - I assume that this would be cruel and effect him mentaly leading to a terrible life and subsequent suicide.'"

a026.gif Smith was not on the field when the majority of the points were scored and does not deserve the crap jeering thats my point. I agree though we need to compete in the collision for 80 mins and we're not. Thats the WTW packs responsibility .....

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