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Quote: TheLinkMan "if you wanna pay more money for less spec, got ripped off on repairs and parts, have a smaller array of compatible software and generally be more restricted in what you can do...then go for the mac. But on the bright side, you will be down with the cool mac kids
One of the great myth of all time Linky and deep down you know it.

1: You don't pay more money for less spec, Apple gives you the spec you need.

2: You don't get ripped off for parts. For a start because Macs are built to last you never need them. Also Apple parts are manufactured by one manufacturer and carry the Apple badge and are 100% compatible and genuine. Yes you may pay more but you know what you're getting.

3: True, nowhere near the amount of third party software. However as 90% of this software either doesn't work or more likely clashes with other software or worst of all is riddled with viruses then I really don't care. Conflicts and viruses simply do not happen on Macs, which is why PC world sell Macs but don't offer a repair service, as this would be the least busy job at PC world!

4: As for the cool jibe, that's getting a bit desperate as an argument isn't it?

I'm not preaching an all Apple world, that would be awful. If you just want to surf the net, play games or use it to crunch numbers and create spread sheets, by a PC by all means. If you are a home user who wants a bit of everything with zero hassle buy a Mac. If you want a computer for use in any of the creative industries you would need to be certified insane to buy anything but a Mac.

Final final word because even I'm bored now. PC users remind me of those young men who buy a bog standard Corsa for 1k, spend 25k on it to create a monster that works occasionally and claim it's as good as Golf GTI. It may be when it works but for zero effort and the same money they could of had the GTI, run it for two trouble free years, found a girlfriend and have a car that they could actually sell on and not lose anywhere near as much money on it. As a sane person I always ask why would you do such a thing icon_biggrin.gifOH: icon_biggrin.gif

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I suppose I shouldn't be but here I am again surprised by how fervent each side is in this argument. I've bben in IT for 45 years now and have used everything from mainframes which would almost fill Belle Vue to smartphones and tablets. Because of this people often ask me which is best PC or Mac and my fisrt question is what do want to usee it for. The next is how much do you know and eventually how much do you want to spend. It's horses for courses really. For once I agree with vastman that if you just want to to buy it plug it in and use it without even having to open a guide let alone a manual then get a Mac if you can afford it. They have (rightly) turned the computer into an item of "white goods" like a washing machine - it just works. You do pay a penalty in price, software choice (and no not all PC software is riddled with viruses despite what many may say) and customisation but if that doesn't concern you (and I guess that means most people) then it's a fine choice. Always well built, usually reliable (although any repairs are costly) and it looks good.

A PC will cost less and allow you do do many more things but that has it's price as well - it needs much more user involvement in the management of it. The hardware is usually as reliable because they use exactly the same components (video cards, motherboards even) but each manufacturer puts them together as they see fit and to a budget - usually a low one. Now there's nothing wrong with this and many PC usres have been happily using the same machine for years without a problem. One of my PC's still used for web browsing is well over 10 years old and still going strong (slowly though as any 10 year old machine is). There is though a greater degree of variability and everyone tells the tale of the ones which went wrong - not the ones that were OK. More care may be needed when choosing one and even this is difficult because of the bewildering choice.

The OS is what most people interact with and call it the PC or Mac. Yes, OSX is more reliable and is arguably better but remember the "X" came from the fact that it could be said to be a derivitave of Unix and Linux - not really an original Apple idea/product. Windows has to cope with an "open" hardware system allowing many more choices and that is its problem and its advantage - the sheer flexibility. You could go for Linux (Ubuntu) on a PC and have the best of both worlds but that is still not as polished a software product as OSX.

Where does that leave us? What do want to use it for? How much do you know? How much do you want to spend? Answer those (and a few other questions) and then you'll find the best answer for you.

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Arghhhhh! The nerds have taken over the building!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! icon_motor.gif

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i now consider anyone who hasn't got a mac to be a bit dense.

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Quote: fat faced fan "i now consider anyone who hasn't got a mac to be a bit dense.'"


Yes - they do that don't they? All part of the marketing plan - you have been brainwashed!

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Quote: bren2k "Yes - they do that don't they? All part of the marketing plan - you have been brainwashed!'"


to be fair it's not what i think. however after a fortnight i cannot imagine going back to pcs. i have a very high spec windows 7 laptop at work, which is only a year old. it was twice the price of the base level mac that i have bought and is about as reliable as an adam hughes kick off.

i think the brainwashing with macs takes care of itself. i have been stunned at the speed and ability of the mac to deal with multiple programs being running, and how it deals with photo/video editing.

i wouldn't buy an i-phone though. complete fashion accessory.

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Not got a Mac - don't need a Mac - won't ever be getting a Mac.

I know Vastman gets a cut from every sale and he swears by them - as do most users to be fair - but I cannot bring myself to buy into the 'cult' that is Apple - something just goes against the grain to be so restricted, it's like going to Asda knowing that you can only ever go to Asda after that! icon_confused.gif

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Quote: TRB "Not got a Mac - don't need a Mac - won't ever be getting a Mac.

I know Vastman gets a cut from every sale and he swears by them - as do most users to be fair - but I cannot bring myself to buy into the 'cult' that is Apple - something just goes against the grain to be so restricted, it's like going to Asda knowing that you can only ever go to Asda after that!
But because of the restrictions, you know everything you get for a Mac will work like it's supposed to

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Quote: djcool "But because of the restrictions, you know everything you get for a Mac will work like it's supposed to'"


What I have works fine - thanks! icon_cool.gif

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Quote: TRB "Not got a Mac - don't need a Mac - won't ever be getting a Mac.

I know Vastman gets a cut from every sale and he swears by them - as do most users to be fair - [sizebut I cannot bring myself to buy into the 'cult' that is Apple[/size - something just goes against the grain to be so restricted, it's like going to Asda knowing that you can only ever go to Asda after that!
OK as it's you, one more last word. What you say is fair enough, although it's not that long ago there was a cult of Bill Gates and Microsoft.

I agree that stuff like the iphone, ipod etc though beautifully designed and good pieces of kit are over priced and fashion accesorries but then you have a choice of other very similar products if you're not a fashion victim.

The Mac v PC debate is a separate issue IMHO. These two products are polar opposites. One offers people who have the time and inclination a very open and expandable product. The other offers those (the majority IMO) a product that more or less does most of it for you straight from the box. The biggest problem in not which is best. The problem is that many people want Mac useability at PC prices and that simply won't happen. What annoys me is not PC's though I'd never ever have one. It's PC users who try to make out that the ordinary user get as much from a £500 PC as a £1000 mac - they don't - it's a massive lie peddled mainly because they simply can't afford one and that at the moment includes me.

You get what you pay for. Pay £500 for a PC and expect a painful lesson in computer usage which with luck and perserverance you will learn. Buy a Mac and expect a relatively easy and trouble free life with certain restriction that would only bother a very small number of people. That easy life is what you pay your extra money for. Until you have operated both you can't really get just how different the user experience really is. Sandcat called OSX polished and that just about sums it up.

That said my Corsa gets me to work in the same time as my much posher higher spec other car - so where there is a will there is a way (even for PC's icon_lol.gif )

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Quote: vastman "OK as it's you, one more last word. What you say is fair enough, although it's not that long ago there was a cult of Bill Gates and Microsoft.

I agree that stuff like the iphone, ipod etc though beautifully designed and good pieces of kit are over priced and fashion accesorries but then you have a choice of other very similar products if you're not a fashion victim.

The Mac v PC debate is a separate issue IMHO. These two products are polar opposites. One offers people who have the time and inclination a very open and expandable product. The other offers those (the majority IMO) a product that more or less does most of it for you straight from the box. The biggest problem in not which is best. The problem is that many people want Mac useability at PC prices and that simply won't happen. What annoys me is not PC's though I'd never ever have one. It's PC users who try to make out that the ordinary user get as much from a £500 PC as a £1000 mac - they don't - it's a massive lie peddled mainly because they simply can't afford one and that at the moment includes me.

You get what you pay for. Pay £500 for a PC and expect a painful lesson in computer usage which with luck and perserverance you will learn. Buy a Mac and expect a relatively easy and trouble free life with certain restriction that would only bother a very small number of people. That easy life is what you pay your extra money for. Until you have operated both you can't really get just how different the user experience really is. Sandcat called OSX polished and that just about sums it up.

That said my Corsa gets me to work in the same time as my much posher higher spec other car - so where there is a will there is a way (even for PC's
Having argued my point - I am starting a new job next Thursday and it looks like the company use iphones - so I'm just gonna have to swallow hard and accept it! icon_confused.gif

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Quote: TRB "Having argued my point - I am starting a new job next Thursday and it looks like the company use iphones - so I'm just gonna have to swallow hard and accept it!
I have an iphone through work, it's fine - not saying it's better than the rest. One things for sure you won't lose it they weighs a ton!

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I've not used an apple computer since 1983 when us swotty kids were allowed to play with THE school computer.
I find myself spending too much time plugging holes in pc dykes, both mine and other people's. Perhaps I should consider conversion mac.
I know nothing about them, but I send and receive a lot of data using office software (word, excel, powerpointless and access); is a mac compatable with opening such files?

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Quote: TRB "Having argued my point - I am starting a new job next Thursday and it looks like the company use iphones - so I'm just gonna have to swallow hard and accept it!
bad news here too. we're getting them too icon_sad.gif

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Quote: TRB "Not got a Mac - don't need a Mac - won't ever be getting a Mac.
I know Vastman gets a cut from every sale and he swears by them - as do most users to be fair - but I cannot bring myself to buy into the 'cult' that is Apple - something just goes against the grain to be so restricted, it's like going to Asda knowing that you can only ever go to Asda after that!
When we get the roof over the terracing you won't need one icon_smile.gif

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