In law I believe being in posession of drugs is unlawful, taking them isn't. Maybe Slugger could clarify? Obviously you'd have to be in posession of the drug to take it in the first place but don't know how that would work

Pisspoor attempt again, no where in that article does it say or suggest that Kath Hetherington knew about the drug taking or that she was involved in the following cover up. What it suggests is that during negotiations to buy the club the new owners weren't made aware of the impending investigation.

What is notable from that Hull FC statement is that Richard Agar isn't mentioned or implicated whatsoever in any way.

So now we have the UKADA documents, the SKY article and the Hull FC statement none of which intimates in any way shape or form that Richard Agar was implicated, yet you still want to have a Snyde dig!

That would be correct - in either case only Long and Gleeson were in posession (conditioner may not have touched it), and more importantly this is not a drug/substance regulated by English law, only banned by a governing body/organisation otherwise you couldn't legally buy/sell it.

The law has always been wrong as far as drugs are concerned - in my opinion ! but we may be on opposite ends of the scale as to were we stand on this one for various reason, and after reading many of your posts this is not some thing we often are, aside the teams we support .

if I'm not mistaken what makes it worse that if he had trained harder and controlled his diet better he wouldn't of been that situation to take the said substance

let that be a lesson learned to all young future players

Gleeson possibly looking at suing Hull FC according to this

rlhttp://www.dailystar.co.uk/rugby/view/227619/Martin-Gleeson-rocked-by-3-year-drug-ban/rl

Click on proceed to article.

Difficult to see on what grounds - he not only didn't get clearance from the conditioner (that was another player/Long) he took Longs word for it that substance was ok to use, this he confirmed in his revised statement to UKAD, along with the fact that ultimately it is down to the individual player who consumes said substance to take full responsibillity for what he swallows. I do feel he has been nieve and paid the price, he will not be the first ot last - maybe the games governing body and clubs needs to change the current proceedure of how medication and suppliments are given to players ?

If we are talking inconsistency...

It's now nearly 3 years ago since the Drug Testing people turned up on mass at BV and Castleford. This led to the conviction or stitch up as some suggest of Terry Newton for the use of growth hormones.

The inconsistency is not his ban but the fact that as far as I'm aware this mass testing has never been repeated, certainly not at any of the "big" clubs.

Considering it in part cost a man his life and what he had left of his career the fact that since then no one else has been caught stinks. Now we are bing fobbed of with a few nobodies and a geriatric and broken centre. The stench gets ever stronger.

Hock took a genuinely illegal substance so he doesn't count. However until players at the peak of their careers are being found out then there will always be a lack of credibility because mark my words some of them are at it.

now here’s something to debate i think. i was unaware that the testers had turned up en mass at belle vue, i have no knowledge of whether this is a common practice but it would be good to point that out to those that band the name of wakefield around because of what happened with terry newton. my memory fades but i seem to remember at the time that terry newton was caught it was stated that his indiscretions with human growth hormone took place before he joined us – no matter really as it was his choice alone to take the substance.

none of us know what cost terry newton his life. we can all make assumptions. one thing is clear though, is that he took what he did, and if being caught was a component in his death then it's not the fault of the rfl/drug testing authorities that they caught him.

i don’t smell a stench in the game that nobody else has been caught (although i think there have been cases), maybe this is naivety on my part. i hope that you are wrong that “some of them are at it” but i suspect there is an element of truth in it.

my own personal stance is that the use of supplements is playing with fire. there is a massive spectrum of products on the market (just nip in to holland and barrett) which claim to help muscle growth and recovery times. are they produced uniformily in controlled environments all the time or thrown together? don't take the risk guys. there is no substitute for eating sensibly and training hard and therefore avoiding all risk. man up and eat some fruit, veg and some lean meat.

At around the time of Terry's failed tested, the drug testers said they are more likely to test young players (because they will be wanting to bulk up) and the older players (trying to prolong their careers).

Wherever there's a mix of money/profile/sport there's also the usage of performance enhancing drugs!

It's a fact, get used to it!

We'd all like to think that our players and our sport is the one that's clean but don't kid yourself because it's present in RL just as it is in RU, football, netball, hockey and every other sport including darts and snooker.

There are drugs available that WADA aren't even aware of let alone have a test for and when they eventually do find out about them it's often by mistake or via a whistleblower as with THG.

The sportsmen & women that get caught do so for a number of reasons such as being stupid and taking it too far because they're blinded by the glory brought by their new abilities. Because they don't have the funding for the substances that can't be detected and instead they run the gambit of avoiding the testers which almost always leads to being caught. Because they're given bad advice (it's all bad advice) by so called "trainers" or "conditioners". More recently the high profile cases have come to light because of a whistleblower who provides samples of a substance and names of athletes involved such as the THG and Marion Jones case.

That's a naive and idealistic stance. Just look at the 'benefits' these supplements can bring - and then consider that injections of hormone work even better. Look at the physique and muscle definition of top athletes in those sports where this isn't monitored (and some of those in sports where it is, or should be) and compare that with those of 15 years ago and tell me that you honestly think it's down to diet and training!

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Have to say Vasty I'm with FFF on this. The people who take drugs do so of their own free will and take the risk themselves.
Whether they are targeted like TN or not, you can't blame the testers. It's like blaming the police when you get caught speeding. If you accept the risk, you accept the punishment.

Reading his book you can tell there is much more to Terry Newton's death than those drugs.

Also, I can't understand why Gleeson took weight loss pills at all. We all know its hard but doing a slimming world plan properly could lose you couple of pounds a week. If you are genuinely over weight you can do 10 pounds. A professional athlete should already have that kind of will power.
building muscle or getting match fit is different but just losing excess weight seems a strange reason to take pills and risk your career.

The amout spent on masking and creating these drugs makes the WADA budget look small potatoes, so the manufacturers and suppliers are always numerous steps in front of the authorities.
The reality is you may as well let athletes use what they want, but the corinthian ideal of sport, makes this impossible.
The authorities will always take small trophies, but the huge majority will go undetected and that includes all the big names.
If the big players in this and the extent of it were ever outed the whole game and sport in general would be in turmoil.
As to wether it cost TN his life in any small part, we will never know, wether other clubs and players are at it, we will never know.
And thus the status quo remains.

I think Gleeson should stick to his guitar, do some turns and make a few quid. I can imagine a few folk turning up so see him and hearing a few of his stories in the process.