did not know they had any

I couldn't agree more. The whole thing is disgusting and divisive, and not the way the governing body of a professional sport should treat its fans.

But some people have no shame.

When the announced the last franchises didnt they just announce who the teams were and that was it end of story? knowing the RFL (Lewis and fatboy anyway) they will just do the same and run away with a press release...

Yes it was Live on Sky Sports though, and the Sky cameras were at Crusaders/Widnes/Salford and a few others with reactions after the decision, I seem to remember there was a slide with 14 club logos on it which effectively showed who had a Super League spot. I'm guessing this will be the case again, hopefully not though.

It was Airedale. They're still trading, God knows how as they are notoriously bad payers, I've done lots of work for them through the company I subcontract for. Quite a lot of firms won't work for them and other firms have gone under because of them. Allegedly

Both stands were built at the same time!

I'm not suggesting it's a nice ground, it's very basic to say the least. However it's surrounded by land and has at least one modern stand offering seats etc. Let's put it this way, I wish BV were as advanced and only required two new stands rather than four. At the end of the day HKR are sat in a ground that will remain there home and be developed. We are sat in a ground no one is willing to develop waiting for a ground that won't arrive in time. Advantage HKR.

Interesting comments from Salford's new coach, basically saying he's here until he can get a job in the NRL

Would hardly say the satnds at kr are modern!!! both having restricted views,and agree on the Leeds away end and Bratfud having no covered terracing !as for us at Salford i can understand fans of other clubs having sour grapes with us after the farce of red city developments going bump a couple of days after the last franchises were awarded,and even the most die hard of salford fans would be lying if they didnt smell a rat at the time!

Jeez this is difficult, they were built in the early 90's how modern do you need. Whether they are any good is a different matter. What can't be argued is they are far more modern than our one and only stand that may well have been built when Victoria was on the throne - certainly no later than the 1920's. It has no toilets built in and I believe it doesn't even have proper foundations.

Add the fact that we have carried out thousands of pounds worth of development at our ground in the last 5 or 6 years compared to what Wakey have done, and there is really no comparison between the two. The same goes for a few other SL clubs by the way.

Technically you are right, but the golf stand where you sit out in the wind and rain AND pay top prices for the privellege?? I'd rather stand up on terraces!!

I agree. I remember getting hailstoned on there before kickoff in 2009. At least when you are stood up you can hop about to keep warm.

I was thinking more on the lines of new floodlights, east stand extension at one end with the other end ongoing, turnstyles.Granted, the golf stand is not ideal but it is only temporary and considering before we were promoted there was only a pile of mud at that end, I don't think we can be pulled up for that. For what its worth by the way, I do not buy into this ground mallarky, if the team competes, whats the problem? At the end of the day, we are only ever at the place for a couple of hours every week/fortnight, and the sport is not big enough for clubs to justify spending vast amounts of cash on new grounds.

You make a good point about questioning the need for top quality grounds. When all the football stadiums were improved it was mainly due to safety issues caused by the fact that they had massive crowds of up to 20,000 on one terrace. We as Rugby League clubs don't have this safety issues due to lower crowds so there isn't actually a need for super shiny new stadiums although we would all like one.

most sensible post i've read on here for months.