So you have experience of playing in a 4th round challenge cup match? Or any match for that matter?

He is a SL scrum half and I claim my £5

was the apparently poor kicking nothing to do with some excellent field positioning by mathers? or i am a bit naive?

I think Mathers had a really good game, which is hard for me to say because I really don't like him. However, I think the difference between average kickers and really good kickers is the ability to put it into the gaps that are available. Even if the fullback has a great game he can't cover the entire width of the field.

Mathers did have a good game (He was MoM IMO) and sometimes its hard for fans to praise an opposition player, some find it easier to blame one of thier own players.

(See the countless threads on here for starters!)

Mathers played well.

We kicked badly.

The 2 statements are not at all incompatible

Agree 100%.

In most cases the cas players fielding the kick hardly had to move to take it and most were caught on the full allowing valuable metres to be gained. Our kickers don't see to take account of where the opposition players are and aim for the space.

Fair point.

No but I see space and have co ordination instead of kicking into a little square where one man is.

Of cause u do, i think we should sign you up

i think we should put him the stocks and throw rotten veg at him!

Now there's an idea for a fundraiser that could see us earn enough to sign the amazing Australian scrum half that he keeps crying out for.

Surely NGB4C would be willing to put himself up for this so we can offer some random Aussie a huge contract based purely on his birthplace

Never mind a random Aussie with the money we would make off that idea we could sign quality. Messrs Thurston and Lockyer welcome to Belle Vue.

In the 2nd half the main problem was our kickers getting carried away by the wind advantage and certainly Hyde's insistence on trying for 40-20's instead of territory. It was therefore easy for Mathers to set himself early and catch the ball.

A good kicker, like an ordinary one, will have a plan A but has the quick ability to change to plan B if he sees the ground is being closed down. Hyde's kicks seem almost too predetermined with him setting his body position and place in the line very early then compounding this by running in the direction he's kicking it for too long. All this makes it easier for a full-back with good game sense, like Mathers, to position themselves.