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Quote: bren2k "Why then, on your own forum, are you expressing your indifference as to how many people turn up to the CC game at BV, since you only care about Cas?

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Purely because rugby league is already established in both Castleford and Wakefield. What matters most to me is seeing Cas win in the cup game; the attendance is largely irrelevant to me, it's the result that count first and foremost. Put it this way, the amount of people in Cas and Wakefield, the derbies should be selling out every time so by preaching on a forum to "all fans to get out and turn up to Belle Vue" is a bit silly considering all fans who can attend will attend such is the nature of the game.

In Wales, it's a different matter. I do genuinely care about the long-term health of the game and although not proven in fact or statement, if the likes of Crusaders, Quins, Catalans do offer something to SL that strengthens the games financially and helps my side, the competition and ultimately the sport to grow then I'm not going to turn around and go on a witchhunt.

It seems that some people are choosing to stay away from Crusaders as a way of demonstrating their dissatisfaction with the expansion system. But is the expansionist policy anything to do with Crusaders? At the end of the day Crusaders have done nothing to Wakey in the grand scheme of things. Cas are at much as a threat as anyone but whilst some of my fellow fans don't care for those sides, I do genuinely believe we need successful sides.

I can appreciate some fans believe that the sport doesn't need to grow and it doesn't need to go outside the traditional heartlands and that's fine. But we don't have an endless list of benefactors to bankroll sides and sooner or later something HAS to change to improve the health of clubs, the health of the sport.

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Quote: D.W!! "You mean like when certain fans claim they took 3,000 fans to a game thats official attendance was only 1,823??? eusa_clap.gif

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Quote: Fully "How childish. Expected nothing more from you, though, to be honest.'"


Then I'm happy not to have disappointed you.

See you in a couple of weeks, for YOUR cup final. icon_thumb.gif

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Quote: bren2k "Then I'm happy not to have disappointed you.

See you in a couple of weeks, for YOUR cup final.
No disappointment. I know you hate me although what I've done to wrong you personally, I don't know.

My Cup Final? Pah. I don't know what I'm looking forward to more....the game itself or, should you win, the next item in the Wakey beat Cas crockery range. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Fully "No disappointment. I know you hate me although what I've done to wrong you personally, I don't know.

My Cup Final? Pah. I don't know what I'm looking forward to more....the game itself or, should you win, the next item in the Wakey beat Cas crockery range.
Of course I don't hate you - that would take up far too much energy; I just won't take a lecture from you about why Wakey fans have a duty to turn out for the Crusaders game to support the expansion experiment, whilst at the same time, you're posting on the Cas forum making snidey insinuations about not coming to BV for the CC game because it's not financially advantageous for Cas.

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Quote: vastman "Sorry Fully but why is it fact, I don't agree. This is what the SL apologists say on the VT and I have never got on yet to say what these facts are.

The M62 corridor including Liverpool contains approx 16 million people. That is about the same as NSW and QLD combined. Yet no one thinks RL can't prosper in Oz. The entire population of wales is about a 5th of the M62 corridor and already has a form of Rugby and we pick the least populated part of it. So why so much effort for a bunch of sheep farmers?

Why when it includes two of the five biggest cities in the UK, has two ITV networks and two daily papers can RL not survive as a big fish in the north. Why do we need it, why can't we just be a big regional sport.

I simply don't buy this expansion rubbish. Nobody outside the M62 wants RL, that's the real fact. They have their own teams in their own sports and never asked for a SL team. This is because they don't care and they never will.

Make RL big where it's big, so big that regionally at least it can't be ignored. This alone will ensure our big events get national recognition. Stop pigging dreaming of a RL empire that will never be. Instead of trying to be America be Israel, there not big and flash but no one messes with them and everyone knows who they are.

I'm sick of this expansionist/franchise b*llocks, I just want to go back to supporting my team, just travelling the M62, France every now and then and maybe Wembley - London once in a lifetime - that I reckon is all 90% of fans have ever wanted IMHO.

Not that anyone ever bothered to ask them.'"


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Quote: bren2k "Of course I don't hate you - that would take up far too much energy; I just won't take a lecture from you about why Wakey fans have a duty to turn out for the Crusaders game to support the expansion experiment, whilst at the same time, you're posting on the Cas forum making snidey insinuations about not coming to BV for the CC game because it's not financially advantageous for Cas.'"


Clearly you misread what I actually put then. I never once at all said I wasn't or wouldn't be going to the game. I've broke it down into it's simplest terms for you already but I'll do it again for you just in case:

I don't care what the attendance is at the game. It's a largely irrelevant factor because all I care about is seeing my team win in the cup. If 11,000 turn out great but I would prefer that to be at home, not away and so I'd take much more interest in the crowd if it was at home because it's financially better for us. HTH.

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Quote: bren2k "Of course I don't hate you - that would take up far too much energy; I just won't take a lecture from you about why Wakey fans have a duty to turn out for the Crusaders game to support the expansion experiment, whilst at the same time, you're posting on the Cas forum making snidey insinuations about not coming to BV for the CC game because it's not financially advantageous for Cas.'"




Let me get this straight, we should go to away games and support expansion and at the same time not go to games unless its advantageous to our own club, i'm confused to say the least.

crown.gif I've a better idea, you spend you're money doing what you want, when you want.

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Quote: Fully "No disappointment. I know you hate me although what I've done to wrong you personally, I don't know.

My Cup Final? Pah. I don't know what I'm looking forward to more....the game itself or, should you win, the next item in the Wakey beat Cas crockery range.

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There a couple of things that go against the general point being made here, the Catalan club as a whole and cockneys playing the game and progressing through the system right up to International level?

Fair eough the Welsh seem to be a seperate case and I agree to an extent about them, but I don't know how people can reasonably be against either London or the Frogs - OK they have issues they need to work on but don't we all?

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Quote: newgroundb4cas "Shudds crowd to Batley was appauling aswell. What shudds bring to us year after year is also appauling to say they just live down the road. We are a far greater club when we get this ground built !!!!'"


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