So, if you ask one of those people who know about smart phones, they'll show you how to not download those apps in the first place as they tell you what permissions they will need, or remove that access from that app.
Did your analytics friend tell you to take the battery out and trash the Sim card like they do on the movies?

No he did not, it is just a lifestyle choice made, I haven't disrespected or undermined anyone that chooses to use a smart phone maybe unlike others, I have just said for me the negatives outweigh the positives and also some of what people see as positives i.e. instant access to social media in my life I see as a negative for various reasons.

Also, you assume that I am talking about the apps there that are visible on the manage my apps in your settings, that you can switch permissions on and off, or that you can remove or download at your apparel, I am not.

OK I get your point.
I guess the point is the same as someone made above, in that the future will judge whether we are right but for me I'm not too worried about it.
The ones I know about I manage. I don't always put my location on but I get a good benefit from smart apps knowing where I am. I don't really have anything to hide about where I am but it's still sensitive information by definition should be locked down.
I have a virus checker on my phone which does reviews about the apps you talk about.
Many of the issues associated with Smart phones are on your laptop too though.

If you have Netflix you should watch The Social Dilemma. You'll love it.

I saw the trailer for that actually, sometimes the less you know the better about these things!

smart phones are intrusive with the amount of apps and says it linking you to ads that gain information about your self but you can hardly call it a threat, bit bazaar for a businessman not to use one but if your paranoid about the world having a new order it's understandable

Your Sat Nav knows where you are.
Your bank can follow you with credit and debit card payments
If you shop online the likes of Asda and Tesco know your preferences and where you live...... Amazon delivery guy knows me better than my mum does.
If you get food delivered they know your address and card details too.
Lets not even get into social media.

At least you can control some of the stuff on a Smart Phone.
They are all great modern day tools that just need to be understood to get the best out of them.

I am told its easier to listen in to a landline than a mobile,

I see, answer a question with a question. Hmm, very good.
As for the ball and chain analogy I'm happy that Homme Vaste cleared that up though I'm not surprised that the thought had never occurred to you. I suppose I presume people know what I'm referring to..my bad it seems.

Now PopTart, as you often have a tendency to go to ground whenever I challenge you can I remind you of this question.

Now PopTart, can you tell me why you have so much faith in the 1% and those land grabbing, polluting corporations and their political allies that they will see you alright in this great re-set.

Now this post from you that answered Dunkirk Spirits question I don't understand.
When I raised the problem that many of the death figures registered (of covid) being bogus I was accused of “fake news”. You know, that term that no one ever backs up.

Yet here you are promoting fakery (proven) simply because a “medical professional” signed the certificate. Just like your faith in the 1% do you somehow revere your “betters” to the point of ignoring all other explanations?


Dunkirk Spirit wrotegive me a valid reason for why death certificates are showing cause of death “Covid 19, just because they were tested positive within the previous 28 days before death. Some in the medical profession find this strange.

PopTart
Of course I can't give you a good reason. I'm not a medical professional.
But the medical professional that did sign it decided that was the right thing to do, so I'm ok with it

Bazaar Snowie? You don't know many business men past or present then.

"Paranoid" Love ya Snowie, dive in, quick disparaging remark, no back up and then lie low.

Never said I didn't believe in smart phones. I don't own a gun nor do I want one, does not mean I don't believe in them.

But again, you miss the point. Youtube and facebook are now a monopoly and like it or not the vast majority of people in the world are using these platforms, platforms who now practice ommision and censorship.
You keep banging on about "fake news" yet do not seem to understand that ommision is on a parrarel with fakery.
You seem ok with that. Hypocritical ?


You say:
" censorship would be when they stop you expressing your views. Not being able to express your views on YouTube is not the same thing."

Sorry, I do not understand the logic there.

Can you please then explain why many doctors and people in the scientific field have been thrown off google and facebook yet a guy like Gates has a free reign to pontificate upon things he is no expert on. I give you Greta Thunderburg or whatever her name is, 16 years of age and no expert, Tony Blair on any subject under the sun including vaccines all given free reign on those platforms but not doctors, fully qualified in their field, just because they have a different point of view to google.

A word you used there "someone". Maybe you have not heard of algorithms, AI, that actually does the censoring

Oh come on, they have a virtual monopoly see here

Mark Zuckerberg's social media site Facebook came out on top, according to a report from research company App Annie.
Facebook's other apps, Messenger, WhatsApp, and Instagram also made the top 5.
And then we have Youtube.

It's not about my free choice it's the unwitting general public that are being manipulated by American corporations that have an agenda, good or bad, doesn't matter. If they oporate in the UK then they should not be allowed to censor us. Even you can see that surely.

It's not all bad. In fact as we speak there are still many excellent posts on youtube. But that does not excuse the pulling of many other excellent postings, Dr Vernan Coleman for example. But just what the future holds I don't know. As it stands I was simply relating what Google and Facebook are telling us are their policies as the vaccine gets rolled out.. A very dangerous policy I believe.

No PopTart, I don't suppose I can just post just anything on here. But tell me, if I was a fully qualified doctor and warned about the dangers of a particular medical treatment would you, as moderator, censor me? And if so, on what grounds? Because wrencat, totaly unqualified, disagreed with me? Or even if another doctor came on and disagreed with me. Or would you allow a debate and leave it up to others to choose who they believed?

Now that would be the grown up solution, would you agree?

To repeat something you didn't answer from previous post,

You keep banging on about "fake news" yet do not seem to understand that ommision is on a parallel with fakery.
You seem ok with that. Hypocritical ?

I would look at what evidence he has for that treatment being dangerous. What experiments and data he had produced/published and been peer reviewed and what the view of those peers was. I would not accept the simple word or views of an individual on something so important regardless of his/her qualifications.

I cannot publish any views I like in the Daily Mail, why should I be able to publish them on social media? If I have views which have no basis and are contrary to all evidence, I would have to find another way of reaching the public, say self-publishing a series of books like your favourite unlicensed doctor.

He is not censored at all, only not allowed to publish unsubstantiated views on certain privately owned media.

Similarly, David Ike is also not censored.

To be clear, the person making a claim has the burden of proof.

It is impossible to prove the non-existence of something, you can only show that there is no evidence to support it.

That's how science works.

Anyway, I've read a lot of what you've posted on here, but it seems mainly a Gish gallop of unrelated and unsubstantiated pseudo-science.

If you want an actual debate (as you've claimed)..

What is your main (single) point and what is the evidence for that?
e.g. that a global reset was a premeditated power grab tactic by '?????'.

One argument at a time.

Very few of us on here are experts at anything, particularly medical science. The one thing that people have developed through the generations by the experience of their lives, and that of their forefathers, is “Common Sense.”if someone doesn’t seem right, then question it. We will all end up zombie like, if we just follow the experts without question. Just my opinion of course, I’m not an expert on Zombies.