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| Quote: imwakefieldtillidie "Most clubs run with at least 6 experienced props, we've only got four. Kelepi will make it five but we then lose his impact from the back row. Add Battye and one more, someone like Naverette, and I think we'd look a lot stronger.
Got to disagree about the full back situation. Walker, Gigot and Jowitt are all natural full backs. Hampshire sees himself as an half, but his best form has come at 1. Pretty much every coach he's ever had has only used him as a back up half.'"
No they don’t, find me these clubs with 6 experienced specialist props please. There aren’t many, most have four to five out and out props, the rest are middles or youngsters.
Following your logic Aydin is a prop and has nearly as much first team as some listed props at some other clubs. You’re seeing what you want to see.
So tomorrow I’ll be a bore and go through all the SL teams and list the specialist and experienced props and see where we are and put this one to bed. I will by the way include Tanginoa because like it or not he’s a very good prop.
Hampshire is a HB in the same way Tanginoa is a prop, he can play well at both, what Hampshire is is a utility player, ditto Gigot who is not a natural FB. You seem to want it all ways.
Walkers is the out of step player because he’d the one we could get away with losing to find the cash for a prop. That said he could still prove his worth if we have a crisis on the backs.
It’s impossible to cover every eventuality as regards players, every team even Saints have week areas, it’s just how the dice falls sometimes. Why panic in December, it’s just bizarre imho.
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| Quote: Luppylad "We have 4 props which is less than most teams and has for full back jowitt and walker are fullback gigot main postion is full back as he says in interviews he can cover other postions and hampshire arguably best form as been at full back'"
See answer to other poster.
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| Quote: vastman "No they don’t, find me these clubs with 6 experienced specialist props please. There aren’t many, most have four to five out and out props, the rest are middles or youngsters.
Following your logic Aydin is a prop and has nearly as much first team as some listed props at some other clubs. You’re seeing what you want to see.
So tomorrow I’ll be a bore and go through all the SL teams and list the specialist and experienced props and see where we are and put this one to bed. I will by the way include Tanginoa because like it or not he’s a very good prop.
Hampshire is a HB in the same way Tanginoa is a prop, he can play well at both, what Hampshire is is a utility player, ditto Gigot who is not a natural FB. You seem to want it all ways.
Walkers is the out of step player because he’d the one we could get away with losing to find the cash for a prop. That said he could still prove his worth if we have a crisis on the backs.
It’s impossible to cover every eventuality as regards players, every team even Saints have week areas, it’s just how the dice falls sometimes. Why panic in December, it’s just bizarre imho.'"
Tanginoa is a very good prop, I just think he's a better second rower. But Chester has commented recently that he hopes to use him in the back row so to include him is distorting the facts. But if you insist on including him and Aydin, make sure you include all the cover and youngsters from other clubs as well.
Agree about Walker, although I think he'd be fine had we not signed Gigot. I understand why we brought him in when we did, but with Jowitt hitting form and the need for an organising half it's not really worked out and left us top heavy.
I'm not panicking, there's two and a half months to go and as I said in my original post we've still got some work to do. I'm basing my opinion on the squad as it is now, not what I think it'll be come March. I still reckon we'll add Battye, but London will need to get their squad in order for that to happen.
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| Quote: vastman "get real we need every position covered by at least 40 international class players to even beat Leigh... no chance, lay off the egg nog!
Not sure if this is a cack handed attempt at humour, or just another blatant attack of sarcasm on your part
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| Quote: dickie mint "Not sure if this is a cack handed attempt at humour, or just another blatant attack of sarcasm on your part
He’s said himself he thinks we’re two props short, but for some reason he doesn’t want anyone else to say it as well.
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| I accept that in an ideal world Kelepi would play second row but he’s played far more at prop for us out of his 30 odd consecutive appearances.
So I’ve got
Fifita
Arona
Kelepi
Green
Tangata
Aydin
Add Joe westerman at a push and hopefully Eddie Battye and I just don’t see the need for doom and gloom?
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| Quote: dickie mint "Not sure if this is a cack handed attempt at humour, or just another blatant attack of sarcasm on your part
Both, sarcasm and humour are the same thing surely. It’s only called sarcasm when you can’t take a joke.
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| OK, here it is so far, some teams still to do. I admit it's not yet definitive for any club yet, ourselves included. Please excuse spellings.
I fully accept I may have missed some of the very latest signings.
* Indicates players who play more than one position and as such ARE NOT specialist props IMHO, middles as they now call them.
Feel free to add but you must differentiate between specialist pros and utility/middle. Thanks
Hudds (so far)
Wilson
English
Gavet
Kirby*
Trout*
Yates*
Ta'ai
Hull KR (tricky this one)
Vete
King
Maher
Mudoti
Simms*
Lawler*
Hull FC (so far)
Taylor
Satae
Matongo
Brown
Sao*
Fash*
Bowden*
Leeds
Seumanufagai
Olędzki
Holdroyd
Harrison
Prior*
Tetevano*
Salford
Ikahihifo
Mossop
Johnson
Pauli Pauli*
Wigan
Singleton
Bullock
Burgess
Kilner
Chubb*
Partington*
Saints
Walmsley
Lees
Amor
Paasi
Norman
LMS*
Cas
Watts
Smith
Hepi
Martin
Millington*
Lafao*
Moors*
Wakefield Trinity
Fifita
Green
Tanganata
Tanginoa
Aydin
Arona*
Westerman*
Right, I don't give a monkey's about the relative quality of the players, that is purely subjective and can't be decided until the end of the 2021 season for certain, we'd be here all day arguing that one. It's the numbers and ours add up and if we got Battye they would add up better than most.
More teams to follow.
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| Leeds have released Suemanuwhatever. Going back home.
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| Quote: Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo "Leeds have released Suemanuwhatever. Going back home.'"
Well they are doomed, not enough props
That was low level sarcasm, I’ll get me coat.
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| Quote: vastman "OK, here it is so far, some teams still to do. I admit it's not yet definitive for any club yet, ourselves included. Please excuse spellings.
I fully accept I may have missed some of the very latest signings.
* Indicates players who play more than one position and as such ARE NOT specialist props IMHO, middles as they now call them.
Feel free to add but you must differentiate between specialist pros and utility/middle. Thanks
Hudds (so far)
Wilson
English
Gavet
Kirby*
Trout*
Yates*
Ta'ai
Lawrence*
Hull KR (tricky this one)
Vete
King
Maher
Mudoti
Simms*
Lawler*
Harrison*
Mudoti
Hull FC (so far)
Taylor
Satae
Matongo
Brown
Sao*
Fash*
Bowden*
Brown
Leeds
Olędzki
Holdroyd
Harrison
Prior*
Tetevano*
Salford
Ikahihifo
Mossop
Johnson
Pauli Pauli*
Burke*
Ormondroyd
Greenwood*
Wigan
Singleton
Bullock
Burgess
Kilner
Chubb*
Partington*
Byrne
Havard
Clark
Kilner
Saints
Walmsley
Lees
Amor
Paasi
Norman
LMS*
Cas
Watts
Smith
Hepi
Martin
Millington*
Lafao*
Moors*
Massey
Cook*
Griffin
Wakefield Trinity
Fifita
Green
Tangata
Tanginoa*
Aydin
Arona
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I’ve used Wikipedia, so apologies if any of the players I’ve added have since moved on.
I’ve taken Westerman off ours, he’s never played prop and at the moment it’s just speculation on here. Whichever way you look at we need another prop, two in my opinion. Even with just Battye we’d need some luck with injuries.
Leeds have just released Ava, so they look light as well. I expect them to recruit.
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| Quote: imwakefieldtillidie "I’ve used Wikipedia, so apologies if any of the players I’ve added have since moved on.
I’ve taken Westerman off ours, he’s never played prop and at the moment it’s just speculation on here. Whichever way you look at we need another prop, two in my opinion. Even with just Battye we’d need some luck with injuries.
Leeds have just released Ava, so they look light as well. I expect them to recruit.'"
Are you taking the mick, virtually none of those have ever played prop yet you take Westerman off!
Wilson
English
Gavet
Kirby*
Trout*
Yates*
Ta'ai
Lawrence* Oh come on! Loose forward, Second-row, Centre, Wing, no mention of Prop -
King
Maher
Mudoti
Simms*
Lawler*
Harrison*
Mudoti Is that his twin further up
Hull FC (so far)
Taylor
Satae
Matongo
Brown
Sao*
Fash*
Bowden*
Brown Already in the list
Leeds
Olędzki
Holdroyd
Harrison
Prior*
Tetevano*
Salford
Ikahihifo
Mossop
Johnson
Ormondroyd
Pauli Pauli*
Burke*
Greenwood* Second Row, played prop once, so I'll add Crowther to ours then
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