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And I don't want to be too critical but I've very definite mistakes from Jowitt where he has called a player to a position and got it completely wrong.
It's a Grix strength. But equally Jowitt has strengths Grix doesn't have.

But on balance when fit I'd rather have Grix's strengths.
The plan has to be to teach Jowitt and Hooley as much of that as they can take.

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Quote: homme vaste "That`s fair enough but I am sure if you watched Jowitt or even Grix for that matter you would probably be saying the same.

I spoke to a player in our squad the other week who was talking about how good Grix was at organising our defence from the back, having a keen eye on numbers/overlap opportunities etc but we don`t see that from the stands though.

People so very often forget that there is more than meets the eye to a players game yet still question what they bring to the team.'"


That is it players will do things that go unnoticed in the stands or TV on gameday and in training. For what it is worth I still think Grix has plenty to offer as long as the coach can expect one or two mistakes that he has had in him all his career the rest of the time he performs to a high level. I actually think his early performances for yourselves were very good and helped push you on from where you were at the MPG.

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Max is this... Max is that ... for goodness sake he’s a young player still learning a very difficult position . Let’s afford him the games Grix has had .... and like young Walker at Leeds . Walker has made some crackers of mistakes but he’s learning from them and they are willing to give him the time to prove himself . Stop battering our young players .. Jowitt /Crowther etc and get behind them ..... you never know !!!

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I think it was Eorl Crabtree, when praising Grix, referred to him as the ‘numbers man ‘ as regards his ability to organise where everyone should be in both attack and defence.

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Quote: homme vaste "Shaul is still not the finished article now, most FC fans would laugh at you if you suggested he was.

Johnstone - There is not as much to a wingers game as there is a Fullbacks, so that is pretty irrelevant to this discussion. Also I still think there is some improvement in Tom so he is not the finished article yet.

And Hardarker gradually got a lot better at Leeds in the Fullback position. Don`t forget he spent a lot of his time at centre when he first joined Leeds. He also got better under Powell at Cas so no I don`t think he was a finished article at 21 either.'"


Not picking on you mate you're just the last in line on this. But did any of you watch Jake Truman on friday night? 19 years old and capable of running games so I can't wait to see him at 21. His pass to set up Minikin's try was sublime.
Just an example thats all.

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Quote: newgroundb4wakey ". But did any of you watch Jake Truman on friday night? 19 years old and capable of running games so I can't wait to see him at 21. His pass to set up Minikin's try was sublime.
Just an example thats all.'"


For all Bradford Bull's failings they have managed to unearth some real talent. Shame for them that other clubs are reaping the rewards.

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Quote: Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo "For all Bradford Bull's failings they have managed to unearth some real talent. Shame for them that other clubs are reaping the rewards.'"


I wondered when some one would mention that - players at all clubs these days even those who graduate through the Academies are rarely local.

Cas have done well to get this lad and so long as they don’t claim to have created him from the cradle then best of luck I say.

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Quote: Big lads mate "I’m afraid you’ll never get to know this week as Luke is banned so Max plays, he would for me anyway.'"


He would play for me too.
I just don't understand sticking the knife into players as many do on here.
To say that MJ is not SL standard is ridiculous - he-s not the finished product yet so how can that be assumed?

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Quote: Trinity1315 "He would play for me too.
I just don't understand sticking the knife into players as many do on here.
To say that MJ is not SL standard is ridiculous - he-s not the finished product yet so how can that be assumed?'"


It doesn’t matter if he’s the finished product yet, at this moment in time he either is or isn’t and as far as standards go he is miles behind every fullback in the play offs based on abilities and if we are to push on and contend for the top 4 he either needs to improve or be replaced, it’s as simple as.

Way too many people on here get there backs up about players being criticised because they’re our “young lads”, it doesn’t matter to me if he’s 16 or 35; if he’s making errors consistently I.e. Castleford; then he is not good enough based on that.

If anyone thinks I have a problem only with the young lads then I’ll elaborate further and also state that Keegan Hirst isn’t SL quality either, id also look to be replacing him with someone who can catch the ball upon his carry.

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Quote: newgroundb4wakey "Not picking on you mate you're just the last in line on this. But did any of you watch Jake Truman on friday night? 19 years old and capable of running games so I can't wait to see him at 21. His pass to set up Minikin's try was sublime.
Just an example thats all.'"


Great that he has that ability at 19, however as someone else said earlier, he is still not the finished article. Or, do you expect that he will not improve further with more game time under his belt??
Players develop at different rates, but as long as they continue to improve all the time then I don't see what the issue is. Max's game has improved over time, and given more time he will no doubt improve even further IMO
We, as a club do not have the finances to have ready made players in every position, and to be honest, nor should we be looking to do that anyway. In a sport where there is a salary cap and a finite amount of money that you can spend on players even if you have it, then some players in your team/squad need to be developing juniors, which is exactly what Max is at this moment in time.

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Quote: WakeyTrin1873 "It doesn’t matter if he’s the finished product yet, at this moment in time he either is or isn’t and as far as standards go he is miles behind every fullback in the play offs based on abilities and if we are to push on and contend for the top 4 he either needs to improve or be replaced, it’s as simple as.

Way too many people on here get there backs up about players being criticised because they’re our “young lads”, it doesn’t matter to me if he’s 16 or 35; if he’s making errors consistently I.e. Castleford; then he is not good enough based on that.

If anyone thinks I have a problem only with the young lads then I’ll elaborate further and also state that Keegan Hirst isn’t SL quality either, id also look to be replacing him with someone who can catch the ball upon his carry.'"


A bit of an overstatement to say he's miles behind! Who you going to replace him with?
It's not a question about getting backs up, I certainly don't - we're all entitled to our opinion and it's clear your and mine are miles apart.
As far as Hirst goes, he's borderline to me. He wouldn't be first choice but he's a good squad player to have as back up.

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Quote: WakeyTrin1873 "It doesn’t matter if he’s the finished product yet, at this moment in time he either is or isn’t and as far as standards go he is miles behind every fullback in the play offs based on abilities and if we are to push on and contend for the top 4 he either needs to improve or be replaced, it’s as simple as.'"

I'll tell you what it's as simple as, he's not the first choice full back at the club that distinction belongs to Grix atm, whether that changes next season will be up to the coach, but until then he remains behind Grixy so why are you comparing him with all the 1st choice FB's at other clubs, I would prefer to think that we have the edge over most other clubs when it comes to our reserve full back.

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Quote: chissitt "I'll tell you what it's as simple as, he's not the first choice full back at the club that distinction belongs to Grix atm, whether that changes next season will be up to the coach, but until then he remains behind Grixy so why are you comparing him with all the 1st choice FB's at other clubs, I would prefer to think that we have the edge over most other clubs when it comes to our reserve full back.'"


Spot on.

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Because what happens in a year when Grix retires probably due to injury, when we’re left with the lad who is clearly being left behind by Johnstone, Batchelor and hell even Crowther is making some sort of improvement?

He’s 40 games into his career and the only thing I’ve ever clapped at is a pass he through down at Belle Vue, once. People on here are building him up to be something he’s not and it’ll soon show.

Jowitt and Hirst out then spend that money on a decent Fullback, Shaul and Mamo as you’ve all said our out of the picture at their current clubs; get an offer in is what say Mr Carter!

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Quote: WakeyTrin1873 "Because what happens in a year when Grix retires probably due to injury, when we’re left with the lad who is clearly being left behind by Johnstone, Batchelor and hell even Crowther is making some sort of improvement?

He’s 40 games into his career and the only thing I’ve ever clapped at is a pass he through down at Belle Vue, once. People on here are building him up to be something he’s not and it’ll soon show.

Jowitt and Hirst out then spend that money on a decent Fullback, Shaul and Mamo as you’ve all said our out of the picture at their current clubs; get an offer in is what say Mr Carter!'"


What do you mean "Hell even Crowther is making some sort of improvement"? You have 0 class in putting your opinion across my friend, We get it Jowitt is rubbish and he will never make a SL fullback so we should just get rid of him and throw a load of money that we dont have at one of these names your picking out of a hat!

It`s quite simple for me; Grix is currently seen as first choice by Chester, he has a year left on his contract - Chester seems happy to run with Jowitt when Grix is not available or has a dip in form. Should 2020 come around and Jowitt or Hooley not be deemed good enough for the shirt then maybe we will look at the possibility of bringing in another fullback? Really do not see your issue.

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