It doesn't change your argument but Ted and Brian were already on board when Duncan Developments came onto the scene.
Rodney Walker, Ted, Brian and another bloke (Peter Robinson?) were the majority share holders after the share issue. Rodney and the other bloke then left the scene leaving Ted, Brian and Stuart Farrar to run the club. If I remember correctly, Duncan Developments were given shares in lieu of upgrading the east stand with Jim Duncan becoming vice chair. Duncan Developments went bust not long after and Jim and his mate left the club.

You can say what you want about Glover. At least he tried waking up this sleeping giant, cheaper season tickets, TV ad's etc. Unfortunately he came along when the club was on its knees and not much breathing space. The risks didn't pay off and errors were made but at least he tried to shake things up a bit. Elston and his missis were the biggest thieves of that era. Overpaid and incompetent.

Agree there Mash Potato.

Think there was a lot of money squandered over a period of time which caused the club to heamorrage money out of the club in various ways and it went beyond over inflated salaries.

Even basic cost cutting exercises which you would practice at home such as energy tariffs and bills were initially ignored.

There was also a very high amount of player compromise deals for ex players dished out during this time which mounted up.

Pure fantasy I'm afraid - anybody could do what Glover did if you weren't going to pay for it. If he's a hero then I give up, we might as well hand the club over to the moonies!

You do realise the only reason we still exist is because MC stepped in initially to save his own investment then the club and thankfully had the decency to pay most of the creditors.

Had he not done this Glover would have been the man to take us down and then you could definitely say what you like about Glover couldn't you!

As for blaming Elston and his girlfriend this is a new level of blame shifting - poor Glover being fleeced by a chippy ex player and a dancer - give us a break. How these teflon dons fool people in the first place surprises me but to still be fooling people is stunning.

my friend had a conservatory built by glovers company. damp comes up through the floor and the roof leaks. he has had them back a dozen times but they have never sorted it. says everything about glover . all mouth and no trousers,

Quote: ball-in-hand "my friend had a conservatory built by glovers company. damp comes up through the floor and the roof leaks. he has had them back a dozen times but they have never sorted it. says everything about glover . all mouth and no trousers,'" Tell your friend to report them to FENSA.... www.fensa.org.uk

Quote: ball-in-hand "my friend had a conservatory built by glovers company. damp comes up through the floor and the roof leaks. he has had them back a dozen times but they have never sorted it. says everything about glover . all mouth and no trousers,'" Tell your friend to report them to FENSA.... www.fensa.org.uk

I can't claim to know the ins and outs of Glovers time at the club, but no one has ever heard his side of the story.
Nieve he may have been, but there were people at the club that were a lot more experienced and supposedly clued up that either encouraged him or gave him stinking advice.
The rumours of the crazy salaries that got handed out must have been true. Elstons missis was a particularly shocking example.
If you know a lot more then why not reveal it ?
I'd love to know more about this devil incarnate Glover.

You may have a point on the players but that applies to all new Owners.

However as a supposed business man he knows about balancing the books and filling in a tax return. Failure to do those is hard to excuse and can't be blamed on Elston or his wife. The buck stops at Glover imho.

Ted made similar poor decisions but at least it took him 15 years before he finally lost control of the finances, took Glover two years!

Don't think I can explain it any better hth

Yes those rumours of crazy salaries were true.

Even small things like I mentioned previously such as energy on wrong tariffs over a period of time mounted up. On top of that meters werent read so what had been paid in the past were inacurrate.

Brian Smith mentioned heating of which I have a story regarding running up the bills. I wont go into it though.

Then why bring it up?

Ok I will.

Ive already mentioned regarding tariffs.

Anyone not familiar you get charged per unit and that the prices vary if you are on domestic or on business. We were on domestic, and we are a business.

In the flats they use electric storage heaters which as an element is involved thus using more energy and on a higher tariff. Sunday night, you still with me.

On top of that, staff went home, management too, leaving the heaters on full and with doors open.

Call me tight, picky or whatever, but isnt all the above a goid example of wasting money:

We all have kids and can hear all parents say, put the light out, its like Blackpool etc.

Could have paid for an extra player or creditor if we had paid less on our fuel bill.

I know it is small fry but is an example as to what happened.

I shared a box with a mate during the Glover era - he had a very successful business, and approached Glover with a proposal that could have generated *significant* income for the club; he was directed to Elston, who listened politely, then did absolutely nothing to follow it up. We tried a few more times to push it forward, but gave up in the end as it clearly wasn't going anywhere.

Match days were highlighted by Glover and his hangers on getting leathered in their box, and poor old Martin Hopkins running round like a blue-d fly, trying to leverage the corporate clients all on his own; Martin was the unsung hero of the Glover regime in my view.

Sounds about right that Bren to be honest.

I once had a suggestion of something, which I suggested to James Elston, and I got that line "your not paid to think", and then blanked me.

I agree about Martin, and would even mention Dav Longo in that bracket too.

This is interesting stuff, giving an insight into how the club ran in those days. I remember being impressed with the sheer hard work of Martin Hopkins and Davide Longo. Wasn't there also a bloke called Martin Empsall who used to run himself ragged for the club? He could have been a volunteer though, in which case Feline would also need a honourable mention!