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| I respect what jinjer says, we go back a far way and probably have different views. I also agree with jinjers points but for every good point there is a bad point (Old ABC Cinema etc).
However I also remember the place when it was a a terrific vibrant City with Tiffs and pubs like the mitre. I suppose those days are long gone and will never return. However I still think Wakey is a shadow of its former self.
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| I grew up in South East London, Wakefield town centre might not be Knightsbridge but it isn't Peckham Rye or Catford either. It is certainly no worse than comparable sized city centres. Some good new shops popped up and making a go of things - Wah Wah records enough to get me in to town most weeks. Don't drink anymore but seems to be a great pub scene and plenty of live music on. People don't like change, no keen on it myself but what has changed isn't coming back.
As for Trinity - not going anywhere and not changing name. Worse case scenario play at Dewsbury or Fev as a Championship team for the next few years. Refuse to believe the new ground is dead, think the council's hand will now be forced. Oi Box - just underwrite a loan and lets get the thing built.
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| Quote: JINJER "Sorry PB got to take you to task there, unfortunately a lot of people seem to get pleasure in talking Wakefield down but I'm not one of them, take away the Newmarket debacle and this is how I see it.
Yes the precinct up to the cathedral is a pig to look at, but.
We have the east Wakefield relief road.
We have the award winning Hepworth.
The Ings road out of town shops have had a great facelift.
Kirkgate station is a hundred times better than it was five years since.
The eyesores on the Kirkgate roundabout are being demolished.
The roundabout itself is getting filled in and the road layout changed hopefully for the better.
There are plans in the near future for phase three I believe it's called for the area from the roundabout on Kirkgate up to close to the Weatherspoons to be flattened and redeveloped.
The Ridings is getting a facelift on the bottom and top floors.
The Bull ring area like it or not looks miles better with the buildings getting spruced up and the fountains.
The awful carbuncle that is the market is going to be replaced by a cinema and food outlets.
We have the Trinity shopping centre which always seems full..
The bars/ restaurants in the town centre just go from strength to strength, there are now four or five bars that do a fair quality cocktail.
If you stand in he middle of the Unity car park you don't have to walk more than 30m to get to 8 quality bars.
Eating out is getting much better in the city centre, long gone are the days of kebabs/curries as the main dish.
My daughter used to live in Leeds, she's been back in Normy for three or four years and loves Wakey as a good cheap alternative to Leeds, not instead of but as well as. A few weeks since a dozen or so of her mixed group Leeds friends came into Wakey with my daughter, just for a change, they loved every minute of it, no trouble, not full of 16yr olds getting smashed and wanting to scrap, just a damn good night. One of the group mentioned to my daughter that they couldn't believe Wakey had such a nice vibe and far more upmarket bars than they expected.
Wakey isn't a third world country, OK it's not perfect but which city, large town is. It just needs people to see that the Wakey glass is half full and not half empty.
End of rant!
You can chuck in the Wakefield One development with the new library and museum, the imporvements to the civic quarter, new rail and bus stations in recent times along with the hospital and college upgrades and the current extension to the theatre royal. The introduction of the Wakefield BID to improve the look of the place will be a major benefit to the appearance of the place as well, they have just appointed their first CEO and things will start to be notice shortly. Once Kirkgate is done the old place will be looking ok, sadly empty shops is just a sign of modern times and the online shopping as has been mentioned.
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| Quote: Sacred Cow "You can chuck in the Wakefield One development with the new library and museum, the imporvements to the civic quarter, new rail and bus stations in recent times along with the hospital and college upgrades and the current extension to the theatre royal. The introduction of the Wakefield BID to improve the look of the place will be a major benefit to the appearance of the place as well, they have just appointed their first CEO and things will start to be notice shortly. Once Kirkgate is done the old place will be looking ok, sadly empty shops is just a sign of modern times and the online shopping as has been mentioned.'"
Couldn't remember the name of Wakefield one till you mentioned it, and couldn't be d finishing my rant to find it!
Plus to add to my rant we also have for the less able a FREE bus that does off the top of my head.
Kirkgate station> The Hepworth>all the stops on Ings road>round Cineworld>west gate>Westgate station>through town to the bus station.
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| Quote: financialtimes "Surely by definitions, English is European? Or has the British isle managed to migrate off the European tectonic plate on to another continent?
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| Quote: Prince Buster "and pubs like the mitre. .'"
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| Quote: Prince Buster "I respect what jinjer says, we go back a far way and probably have different views. I also agree with jinjers points but for every good point there is a bad point (Old ABC Cinema etc).
However I also remember the place when it was a a terrific vibrant City with Tiffs and pubs like the mitre. I suppose those days are long gone and will never return. However I still think Wakey is a shadow of its former self.'"
I think PB that the old ABC comes under phase three.
Regarding the "good old days" I had them, did the Tiffs, Mitre etc but as you say those days are gone, and that's the same for all towns and cities. Cities need to reinvent themselves as Manchester and more so Leeds have done, two incredibly vibrant cities. OK, we're probably ten years behind Leeds but at least the change has begun.
Everything (thankfully) is being stripped back in cities, no more is it compulsory to sit in bland stainless steel decorated bars, it's brick, mortar, wooden benches and a drinking pub style character. Plenty of options with Craft beer/Real ale/Homebrew which ever you want to call it.
We go into town regularly, we did good Friday this year, pubs nicely full, not full of knobs, stayed round Unity area till probably midnight, it felt safe as houses walking to the taxi rank.
A serious question Dave and not being y but when was the last time you went round the Unity part of Wakefield?
It was about five years since I was persuaded to give it ago and was relatively surprised, up to then I hadn't been in town for a night out for probably ten years.
If we need another SWAG meeting we ought to do that part of town.
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| Quote: JINJER "I think PB that the old ABC comes under phase three.
Regarding the "good old days" I had them, did the Tiffs, Mitre etc but as you say those days are gone, and that's the same for all towns and cities. Cities need to reinvent themselves as Manchester and more so Leeds have done, two incredibly vibrant cities. OK, we're probably ten years behind Leeds but at least the change has begun.
Everything (thankfully) is being stripped back in cities, no more is it compulsory to sit in bland stainless steel decorated bars, it's brick, mortar, wooden benches and a drinking pub style character. Plenty of options with Craft beer/Real ale/Homebrew which ever you want to call it.
We go into town regularly, we did good Friday this year, pubs nicely full, not full of knobs, stayed round Unity area till probably midnight, it felt safe as houses walking to the taxi rank.
A serious question Dave and not being y but when was the last time you went round the Unity part of Wakefield?
It was about five years since I was persuaded to give it ago and was relatively surprised, up to then I hadn't been in town for a night out for probably ten years.
If we need another SWAG meeting we ought to do that part of town.
As an outsider I probably see the improvements in Wakefield a bit more clearly, certainly over the last 5 years there's been great improvements all over the city, with further plans it'll all come together eventually. Got to agree about the area around Unity, great bars and nightlife.
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| Quote: vastman "Sometimes when I post on here I wonder if I'm being very simplistic and naïve. This is one such occasion but I'll post anyway.
There are two ground issues going on at present. The long running NM fiasco seems to be the main one at the moment.
The other is where do we play in the meantime. Can't be BV for much longer unless things regarding NM are rectified in the very near future.
The favourite seems to be Dewsbury, both short and long term. The issue seems to be how long the RFL will allow us to play there.
Now this is where I'm probably being simplistic but why do we have to be Wakefield, why can't we just be Trinity or even Trinity Renegades (for example). Drop the Wakefield bit for now as regards the team. Arsenal, Saracens and Wasps for example - no geographical ties.
I was thinking along the lines of forming two companies. The existing club based in Wakefield, and it's wholly owned subsidiary based at the Dewsbury Stadium. This retains a presence in Wakefield, creates a new SL club in Dewsbury.
I know it may be naïve and it's a fiddle but could it be done? Maybe not how I've phrased it but something along those lines.
Effectively we are selling our SL franchise to ourselves. It's probably all wrong but hey I just wondered.'"
Something along those lines crossed my mind. I am that sick of Wakefield Council. They don't deserve to have a club in the City. The name Trinity occurred to me too as the most important thing and I thought, you know what, I live in Beverley anyway! If they can get better suited elsewhere. a Trinity fan I will be...somewhere else! But I didn't like to say!
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| Quote: JINJER "
A serious question Dave and not being y but when was the last time you went round the Unity part of Wakefield?
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can tell you exactly when, it was the night prior to this years general election and I actually had a couple of pints in the Unity Hall bar on the corner.
I even have an alibi as I was drinking with TRB and the armoureddildo
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| Quote: Prince Buster "can tell you exactly when, it was the night prior to this years general election and I actually had a couple of pints in the Unity Hall bar on the corner.
I even have an alibi as I was drinking with TRB and the armoureddildo'"
I stand by everything I posted, alas I can't account for the company you keep.
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| Serious question : Back in the day 60/70's you could go around the City pubs and by the many pictures you could tell it was an RL City and we had an high profile club.
I don't go in all the present bars, but other than Harrys bar I don't think you would know RL existed in Wakey, may be I drink in the wrong places but is there anywhere were the club or the game have a profile.
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| Quote: Prince Buster "Serious question
It's closed again now but the Elephant and castle had a blackboard which advertised that all Trinity matches would be shown on Monday evening, but yes there aren't many places that appear to support Wakefield.
An interesting aside, on Normy precinct practically opposite each other are the Midland and the Ole int wall pubs, the Midland always has a Cas flag in the window. Lately, allegedly, the landlords had a bit of a falling out. The ole int wall now has Wakey signs, beer mats (I'm assuming snowies) and Wakefield trinity road signs fastened on the wall, I think the corridor out to the beer garden is called Trinity walk or Trinity way, childish but made me laugh.
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| The Redoubt on Horbury rd has always been a good rugby league pub. Sells Trinity beer also
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| Quote: Prince Buster "Serious question
Went out in Cas after the game on Good Friday and pretty much every pub was rammed with people in Cas shirts, had framed Cas shirts all over the walls and had Cas flags and other stuff like that all over as well. I know it was a bank holiday so will have been busier than normal but never seen anything like that in Wakefield which is pretty sad really. Barely anyone cares anymore.
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