Given the way Hull fans have spoke about Shaul this year I think he can be taken out of the list. Mamo has ended up not playing or on the wing and dropped at FB for 2 half backs in either Gaskell or Rankin. To get the quality of Barba/Tomkins/Gigot you would have to pay a small fortune and upset your current squad. Plus with your chairman being open about salary cap etc it isn't going to happen. Of the times I have seen Grix over the last couple of years (and I know its only sky games) apart from the odd error hes looked solid to be fair. To me you have a very rounded squad at the moment with enough to challenge the so called bigger teams when on song. Maybe that extra from full back could be the catalyst to shoot you further up but at what expense to the cap and squad?

The little I have seen of Jowitt I too think a lack of gametime has hindered him. You can also see why from the club point of view its such a pivotal position nowadays and with the risk of the 8s etc if the coaches feel more confident in someone else they will play first. Hopefully with this new structure he will have the chance to play regularly to properly learn his trade. The more young english kids we have playing in SL the better. This isn't a pop at you but this is where licensing was a great idea without the threat of relegation teams could risk playing the youngsters

TBH I think what we need to take us to the next level is a good organising half with a kicking game and a lot of us recognise that including CC, It is something that we have missed a lot, and could of made a hell of a difference in those tight games this season and last - IMO we have not had a good in play kicking game since Brough.

Lets be honest we have never had an extremely talented fullback in the Tomkins/Hardaker mold to go the full length from kick returns, don`t get me wrong it would be nice to have that but I don`t think it is something we really miss in our style of play.

Disagree on a few of your points...

I think Miller has had a good consistent season for me and is one of our main threats with ball in hand, with the right partner I think he will flourish even further - Most try assists in the league just shows how much he creates for the team.

England - 24 games last season, 22 games this season which is a good return for a prop that runs the ball in like he does, I dont think that is a massive issue.

I think Huby was having a good season prior to injury and had a decent season last season - Granted he is not a blockbusting prop and probably not as good as he used to be but I think he still brings something to the team and never seems to take a backwards step.

Hirst has the potential and has got better in his time with us, simple errors leave me frustrated with him but I cant imagine he is on a massive wedge so I would not mind him in the squad for cover for inevitable injuries.

Agree on Baldwinson, Kirmond and a new 7.

My irony meter just broke.

Quentin Laulu-Togaga'e (Thank God for copy & paste)!

Both of you just belt up. I thought we'd moved on from this.
Either PM each other or ignore each other. The rest of us don't want to see it.

You mean you don't, for christ sake lighten up the worlds not a perfect cuddly place where we ll get along.

Well said

I'm not giving you a choice.
By all means debate. When you do it you are one of the best.
Don't just name call or start arguments for nothing.
You've used up all your chances on this subject.

Away from the bickering lads, I think we should all agree that a new fullback is required once Grix departs? Surely?

Not necessarily,some on here are happy to give young talent a chance at least rather than bagging them straight away like you would do Hooley if he played and had a poor game. Just as you have done with the likes of Crowther and Jowitt! I see a lot of potential in Jowitt and so do many others but your limited knowledge of the game obviously shows in your posts.

I actually praised Crowther but only commented on the fact that he is poor going forward, something that numerous others have picked up on.

Like I said when you PM’d me calling me tubby, I cannot help it if other people do not see eye to eye with me and do not have the same opinion.

Just how much "chance" do we give Jowitt, He's played there all his rugby playing days!!!!

As he's only 21, a few more years?
At least 3!

He had one very good full debut season. Since then he's been lucky to get a regular slot even when he came in and delivered a man of the match performance.
As I said earlier, it's game time he needs.