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Quote: Miro "You ask.
“Who the hell mentioned re opening the pits or Trinity getting a new ground ?? “


It was a rhetorical question from me, you do know what “rhetorical” means, I'll inform you e.g. ..used for mere effect.
Or, irony ??

Just because this situation has never happened in our lifetime before does not mean it can't.
Technology and the globalization has changed everything. No one spoke of “globalization” not too long ago so to compare today with “mill owners and well off types bending the ear of their local MPs” is showing your lack of understanding of the current world.

You ask.
“are (they) massively different from the groups of people who have tried to "steer" the direction of travel?”


For the above reasons yes, massively different.

Am I going to question the UN and the G20? You bet we are, they are the major players (see below) after all.

Now I don't know how we, the people, will benefit from “THE GREAT RE- SET but greater minds than mine believe we will be left way behind when these leaders and corporations (you know, the ones who have been polluting and raping the planet for the past 200 years) get there act together.


You say
If brighter people than you or I can protect the majority with a particular course of action then I'm ok with following the dictat



To have a “RE_SET” you need to clear the deadwood and that is how they see us, indeed, history shows they do. And the covid 19 smokescreen is doing the job for them but still you want to give these people a free pass and no questioning. After all, that's all we are doing. Is that so bad? We who live in the north (especially) know damn well they will sell us down the river with their great RE_SET. Anyone here who worked down the pit ? I did and I remember the 80s all too well.

Now, here is a quote from the World Economic Forum meeting.

At a virtual World Economic Forum meeting, global leaders from the United Nations, United Kingdom, United States, International Monetary Fund and multi-national corporations discussed and announced a plan to develop a GREAT RE-SET of the entire world.

“Every country, from the United States to China, must participate, and every industry, from oil and gas to tech, must be transformed,” Schwab added.] “In short, we need a ‘Great Reset’ of capitalism.”
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and below is who they are.

The World Economic Forum (WEF), based in Cologny, Geneva Canton, Switzerland, is an international NGO, founded in 1971. The WEF's mission is cited as "committed to improving the state of the world by engaging business, political, academic, and other leaders of society to shape global, regional, and industry agendas".[1]
The WEF hosts an annual meeting at the end of January in Davos, a mountain resort in Graubünden, in the eastern Alps region of Switzerland. The meeting brings together some 3,000 business leaders, international political leaders, economists, celebrities and journalists for up to five days to discuss global issues, across 500 public and private sessions.

Note "celebraties and journalists" Why those people I wonder. To spread the propaganda? They wouldn't do that........would they?
I honestly don't get your problem with WEF or The Great Reset.
You talk about it like its some James Bond villain society trying to bring down the world but I can't see that at all.
Nor can I see, even though they pretty much name every business in the world as a partner, the WEF or Great Reset being included in any of those company business plans.

Their plans seem pretty low level save the earth type things. I see no clear the deadwood articles like you imply.
Can you point me to one?

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Quote: PopTart "I honestly don't get your problem with WEF or The Great Reset.
You talk about it like its some James Bond villain society trying to bring down the world but I can't see that at all.
Nor can I see, even though they pretty much name every business in the world as a partner, the WEF or Great Reset being included in any of those company business plans.

Their plans seem pretty low level save the earth type things. I see no clear the deadwood articles like you imply.
Can you point me to one?'"


Do I believe there is a James Bond villian society trying to bring down the world??
No. But here is my problem.

I wrote(you know, the ones who have been polluting and raping the planet for the past 200 years) get there act together.

Look around you, see the “deadwood” being taken out? How come you cannot see this when all around you small and medium and some large businesses are being destroyed under the covid smokescreen.
Be honest, they are hardly likley to shout this out from the rooftops are they?

Just like to point out It was the WEF who stated they would use covid as a “great opportunity" to carry out their plans......not little old conspiracy theorist me.

“Great opportunity” icon_lol.gif

Wellallrightee.....

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/artic ... in-lucerne
If your interested in contributing to whatever they have in store for us PopTart then maybe you can pop over to Buergenstock and make your contribution.

From USA news world's elite gather for the World Economic Forum (WEF) annual meeting near the city of Lucerne next year."

"Buergenstock, in central Switzerland, has been chosen to host the May meeting of world political and business leaders, over Davos, the Alpine ski destination synonymous with the annual jamboree."

For those Wall Street bankers and Silicon Valley investors able to make it in person, Buergenstock still offers luxury hotels, fine-dining and mountain pursuits - albeit on foot rather than on skis.

The 2021 meeting will be held around the theme of "The Great Reset" to plot a path to recovery from the pandemic "and rebuild a more cohesive and sustainable society". icon_lol.gif

Wellallrightee.....

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/artic ... in-lucerne


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WEF pretty low level are they? Ever wondered what caused the facemask u-turn?

[i"In March, a group of researchers and scientists started #Masks4All after realizing that there was clear scientific evidence showing that cloth masks limit the spread of COVID-19 (which contradicted the global consensus at the time).

So we shared this information in videos and in the press at the end of March, and we urged everyone to spread the information on social media to government leaders and the public using #Masks4All.

Our message went viral and hundreds of thousands of people all over the world heard our message and took action on a scale much greater than we ever could have imagined.

The story was repeatedly covered by every major global news outlet and as a result, many health and government leaders re-examined the science and changed their opinions.

March 31st Update it was into a void – there was no mainstream discussion of this at all. Today I am briefing a bipartisan group of US senators and staffers on the issue and talking to international policy experts at Yale University. I was on Good Morning America yesterday telling people how to make masks. This has completely taken over my life.” –Jeremy Howard in a Sydney Morning Herald Interview

April 3rd Update
World Economic Forum’s Global AI Council"

Need I say anymore?

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Deadwood you ask. Amnesty International are certainly concerned about some of the shenanigans going on at the peak of the crisisUK

"[iKey failings included decisions to discharge thousands of untested hospital patients into care homes and imposition of blanket DNARs

Between 2 March and 12 June this year 28,186 “excess deaths” were recorded in care homes in England, with over 18,500 care home residents confirmed to have died with COVID-19 during this period.

Most shockingly, on 17 March, four days after the World Health Organization (WHO) declared COVID-19 a global pandemic, the Government ordered the discharge of 25,000 patients from hospitals into care homes, including those infected or possibly infected with COVID-19.

On 2 April, the same day that the WHO confirmed the existence of pre-symptomatic cases of COVID-19, the Government reiterated its guidance for hospital discharge that ‘Negative tests are not required prior to transfers / admissions into the care home’.

Several care home managers told Amnesty that they had no COVID-19 in their homes until after they received patients discharged from hospital.

These and other decisions taken by the Government led to violations of human rights of older people in care homes during the pandemic - notably their right to life, their right to health and their right to non-discrimination.

Amnesty received multiple reports of care home residents’ right to NHS services - including access to general medical services and hospital admission - being denied during the pandemic. Care home staff and relatives told Amnesty how sending residents to hospital was discouraged or outright refused.

A series of “shockingly irresponsible” Government decisions put tens of thousands of older people’s lives at risk and led to multiple violations of care home residents’ human rights, said Amnesty International today, following an investigation by the human rights group’s Crisis Response team."[/i

Shall we discredit Amnesty International as conspiracy theorists too?

Full article found here:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/ ... -pandemic/

These vulnerable elderly people warranted and deserved our protection from day one, obviously our benevolent icon_rolleyes.gif experts disagreed.
Deadwood you ask. Amnesty International are certainly concerned about some of the shenanigans going on at the peak of the crisisUK

"[iKey failings included decisions to discharge thousands of untested hospital patients into care homes and imposition of blanket DNARs

Between 2 March and 12 June this year 28,186 “excess deaths” were recorded in care homes in England, with over 18,500 care home residents confirmed to have died with COVID-19 during this period.

Most shockingly, on 17 March, four days after the World Health Organization (WHO) declared COVID-19 a global pandemic, the Government ordered the discharge of 25,000 patients from hospitals into care homes, including those infected or possibly infected with COVID-19.

On 2 April, the same day that the WHO confirmed the existence of pre-symptomatic cases of COVID-19, the Government reiterated its guidance for hospital discharge that ‘Negative tests are not required prior to transfers / admissions into the care home’.

Several care home managers told Amnesty that they had no COVID-19 in their homes until after they received patients discharged from hospital.

These and other decisions taken by the Government led to violations of human rights of older people in care homes during the pandemic - notably their right to life, their right to health and their right to non-discrimination.

Amnesty received multiple reports of care home residents’ right to NHS services - including access to general medical services and hospital admission - being denied during the pandemic. Care home staff and relatives told Amnesty how sending residents to hospital was discouraged or outright refused.

A series of “shockingly irresponsible” Government decisions put tens of thousands of older people’s lives at risk and led to multiple violations of care home residents’ human rights, said Amnesty International today, following an investigation by the human rights group’s Crisis Response team."[/i

Shall we discredit Amnesty International as conspiracy theorists too?

Full article found here:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/ ... -pandemic/

These vulnerable elderly people warranted and deserved our protection from day one, obviously our benevolent icon_rolleyes.gif experts disagreed.


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Quote: MatthewTrin "Deadwood you ask. Amnesty International are certainly concerned about some of the shenanigans going on at the peak of the crisisUK

"[iKey failings included decisions to discharge thousands of untested hospital patients into care homes and imposition of blanket DNARs

Between 2 March and 12 June this year 28,186 “excess deaths” were recorded in care homes in England, with over 18,500 care home residents confirmed to have died with COVID-19 during this period.

Most shockingly, on 17 March, four days after the World Health Organization (WHO) declared COVID-19 a global pandemic, the Government ordered the discharge of 25,000 patients from hospitals into care homes, including those infected or possibly infected with COVID-19.

On 2 April, the same day that the WHO confirmed the existence of pre-symptomatic cases of COVID-19, the Government reiterated its guidance for hospital discharge that ‘Negative tests are not required prior to transfers / admissions into the care home’.

Several care home managers told Amnesty that they had no COVID-19 in their homes until after they received patients discharged from hospital.

These and other decisions taken by the Government led to violations of human rights of older people in care homes during the pandemic - notably their right to life, their right to health and their right to non-discrimination.

Amnesty received multiple reports of care home residents’ right to NHS services - including access to general medical services and hospital admission - being denied during the pandemic. Care home staff and relatives told Amnesty how sending residents to hospital was discouraged or outright refused.

A series of “shockingly irresponsible” Government decisions put tens of thousands of older people’s lives at risk and led to multiple violations of care home residents’ human rights, said Amnesty International today, following an investigation by the human rights group’s Crisis Response team."[/i

Shall we discredit Amnesty International as conspiracy theorists too?

Full article found here:



Can you help me a little please ?

For most of this thread you have been in denial about the existence of a pandemic and yet, you are now agreeing with Amnesty (and many others) that people being kicked out of hospital and into care homes, massively increased the numbers dying.

I actually agree with you that huge mistakes were made in clearing hospitals and making space to treat people with the "non existent" disease.

Just for clarity, have you changed your mind ?

Could it be that the pandemic, blamed for over 1000000 deaths world wide and over 40,000 in the UK is real and there is a new virus out there ?

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Can you help me a little please ?

For most of this thread you have been in denial about the existence of a pandemic and yet, you are now agreeing with Amnesty (and many others) that people being kicked out of hospital and into care homes, massively increased the numbers dying.

I actually agree with you that huge mistakes were made in clearing hospitals and making space to treat people with the "non existent" disease.

Just for clarity, have you changed your mind ?

Could it be that the pandemic, blamed for over 1000000 deaths world wide and over 40,000 in the UK is real and there is a new virus out there ?'"


I prefer the term epidemic rather than pandemic.

No, I've never denied the existence of the virus, go back and search through all my posts on this site. I've always accepted based on the data that it's rate of transmission is greater than other respiratory virus with it being new and in comparison to a severe flu outbreak (IFR - 0.1%) it is about twice as deadly (IFR - 0.2%). By the middle of next year many credible doctors and scientists believe we will see it improved to a 99.9% survival rate (reason - natural immunity and better treatments) and eventually further down the line become classified as nothing more than a standard coronavirus. Everyone that checked the data from the beginning of January with a half a brain cell could conclude the vulnerable and highly aged were in the main the only demographic that would be severely affected by this virus. And you wonder why we've had over 40,000 deaths in the UK What I've questioned on here is the disproportionate response from governments, so called experts and mainstream media. Due to the continued list of so called "mistakes" it makes me conclude this is more about power, money, control and nothing to do with public health.

Here's another "mistake" I cam across the other day that was made in the past, not once but TWICE!

SARS escaped Beijing lab twice

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-anal ... wice-50137
Quote: wrencat1873 "Can you help me a little please ?

For most of this thread you have been in denial about the existence of a pandemic and yet, you are now agreeing with Amnesty (and many others) that people being kicked out of hospital and into care homes, massively increased the numbers dying.

I actually agree with you that huge mistakes were made in clearing hospitals and making space to treat people with the "non existent" disease.

Just for clarity, have you changed your mind ?

Could it be that the pandemic, blamed for over 1000000 deaths world wide and over 40,000 in the UK is real and there is a new virus out there ?'"


I prefer the term epidemic rather than pandemic.

No, I've never denied the existence of the virus, go back and search through all my posts on this site. I've always accepted based on the data that it's rate of transmission is greater than other respiratory virus with it being new and in comparison to a severe flu outbreak (IFR - 0.1%) it is about twice as deadly (IFR - 0.2%). By the middle of next year many credible doctors and scientists believe we will see it improved to a 99.9% survival rate (reason - natural immunity and better treatments) and eventually further down the line become classified as nothing more than a standard coronavirus. Everyone that checked the data from the beginning of January with a half a brain cell could conclude the vulnerable and highly aged were in the main the only demographic that would be severely affected by this virus. And you wonder why we've had over 40,000 deaths in the UK What I've questioned on here is the disproportionate response from governments, so called experts and mainstream media. Due to the continued list of so called "mistakes" it makes me conclude this is more about power, money, control and nothing to do with public health.

Here's another "mistake" I cam across the other day that was made in the past, not once but TWICE!

SARS escaped Beijing lab twice

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-anal ... wice-50137


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Quote: MatthewTrin "I prefer the term epidemic rather than pandemic.

No, I've never denied the existence of the virus, go back and search through all my posts on this site. I've always accepted based on the data that it's rate of transmission is greater than other respiratory virus with it being new and in comparison to a severe flu outbreak (IFR - 0.1%) it is about twice as deadly (IFR - 0.2%). By the middle of next year many credible doctors and scientists believe we will see it improved to a 99.9% survival rate (reason - natural immunity and better treatments) and eventually further down the line become classified as nothing more than a standard coronavirus. Everyone that checked the data from the beginning of January with a half a brain cell could conclude the vulnerable and highly aged were in the main the only demographic that would be severely affected by this virus. And you wonder why we've had over 40,000 deaths in the UK What I've questioned on here is the disproportionate response from governments, so called experts and mainstream media. Due to the continued list of so called "mistakes" it makes me conclude this is more about power, money, control and nothing to do with public health.

Here's another "mistake" I cam across the other day that was made in the past, not once but TWICE!

SARS escaped Beijing lab twice


Epidemic: a widespread occurrence of an infectious disease in a community at a particular time.

Pandemic: (of a disease) prevalent over a whole country or the world.

Doesn't matter what you prefer to call it, it's clearly the latter of the 2 definitions

As for the response, something that is subjective, the UK have responded based on the ability of the NHS to come with those needing treatment, with the main "thrust" being to ensure that hospitals, particularly ICU departments, were not and are not over run.
I do agree that treatment will improve (it already has) but, "we" first of all have to survive this winter, which will be a more severe test for resources than earlier this year. Hence the nightingale hospitals being kept available.
Let's just hope that they aren't required to work at capacity.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Epidemic

Explained on page 18 re: NHS, it was no where near being overrun during the peak of the crisis. "Protect the NHS" a phrase I dislike as you can derive out of it multiple meanings that I don't agree with; bullying vulnerable people from using it. How the elderly were treated in care homes was frankly unethical.

I care about decisions that save the most lives (not just covid!), saving jobs and the economy.

I hope the NHS work to almost full capacity like they do in most Winter months and treat all in need, turning no one away from their doors. But I won't be holding my breath with the types of people in charge pushing fearful stay at home orders and lockdowns. I can however be sure of one thing; the mainstream media will rinse this crisis until the very last drop.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Epidemic
I do agree that treatment will improve (it already has) but, "we" first of all have to survive this winter, which will be a more severe test for resources than earlier this year. Hence the nightingale hospitals being kept available.
Let's just hope that they aren't required to work at capacity.'"


Where this falls down is the fact that the Nightingale hospitals haven't been used at all.
If if was so "rife" and the NHS overrun, they would have been - as that's exactly what they were created for.

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Remember this.....

"The critical moment in recent weeks can be traced back to 21 September, when Sir Patrick Vallance, the UK's chief scientific adviser and Prof Chris Whitty, the UK's chief medical adviser, warned of the need for immediate action.
In a televised briefing, Sir Patrick warned cases [icould [/ireach 50,000 a day by mid-October if they doubled every seven days, as had happened in recent weeks."

Funny that, despite the doom of the two experts, they "could"
But they haven't reached 20,000.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54546867

Details are in the above article.
Remember this.....

"The critical moment in recent weeks can be traced back to 21 September, when Sir Patrick Vallance, the UK's chief scientific adviser and Prof Chris Whitty, the UK's chief medical adviser, warned of the need for immediate action.
In a televised briefing, Sir Patrick warned cases [icould [/ireach 50,000 a day by mid-October if they doubled every seven days, as had happened in recent weeks."

Funny that, despite the doom of the two experts, they "could"
But they haven't reached 20,000.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54546867

Details are in the above article.


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Quote: wrencat1873 "Epidemic

Now, hang on, it is 24th in the list of causes of death in UK (allegedly not taking into account the fiddled statistics) . Fix the top 23 first then worry about the "virus!

Of course, for the reasons set out, there is no insentive for the powers that be just the usuall "smoking kills" or advice on units of alcohol, the hand wringing about the deadly amounts of sugar in our childrens diets, the adatives, the preservatives, the e numbers, mobile phone radiation, the health experts and scientists have been warning us about for years.

No1. should be the terrible carnage caused by the misuse of alcohol including drunk drivers, road deaths, liver disease, brain and nervous system disease, gout, domestic violence, obesity, cancer, diabetis, addiction, digestive problems, anemia, heart disease, Heavy drinking can hamper your immune cells from fighting off viruses and bacteria. and lets not forget the terrible toll all this has upon the NHS, especially over the weekends when NHS staff are overwhelmed and often assaulted.

And to think they kept the off licenses open during the first lockdown d040.gif

Now does that not put your covid into perspective? Does it not ring alarm bells as in "Why covid and not this lot the government want's us to be safe from, enough to lock us down and lose us our livlehoods? And I haven't even started on smoking.

Does it not show that the responce to covid is totaly disproportionate in the grand scheme of things?

Unless of course covid is a smokescreen, a vehicle to deliver something else..... eusa_think.gif W.E.F.

Before I get accused of running an anti-alcohol campaign I drink, not to access, well I did a month or so back but that's another story. So yes, I like a drink just like anyone else

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I was going to re-produce this text from a poster that I saved many months ago. But then I thought, nah, I'll get all the regulation “conspiracy theory” snipes.

But here goes

CAUTION....
.A face mask is required for entry.

then
CAUTION.....A Vaccine I/D is required for entry.

then
CAUTION.....A Digital I/D is required for entry.

But then I read this. Now folks, this could be your route back to watching rugby at Belle Vue.
We could all be wearing these around our necks just like cows and Kitties. At least those of us smart enough not to own a smart phone.

“Along with the athletes, 500 members of the London Marathon operational team are all wearing devices around their neck, helping to implement social distancing in the run up to the race. The technology, developed by Tharsus, has been named Bump.
Using Radio Frequency technology, the device instantly alerts when a wearer gets too close to another person. They also store data of which other Bump devices you’ve been in proximity with, so in the case of a positive test, organisers will be able to take action to prevent further transmission.

Hugh Brasher has praise the technology, revealing he’d hoped to roll it out to the mass participation event, should it have gone ahead this October. ‘We have been working with Tharsus for many months and, when we were still hoping to deliver the mass participation event on its usual route, we were planning to supply all participants with the Bump technology in order to hold a socially-distanced mass event. It shows how important a role technology can play in the current situation’ said Brasher.

'This will not only provide vital support to clubs and organisations suffering a significant impact on their revenue but have a huge boost for national morale. The Virgin Money London Marathon is a foremost example of this; it is a hugely symbolic sporting event and we are delighted to be playing a role in facilitating its delivery in such challenging circumstances.'

The device will not be worn during the race, however, with athletes taking them off just before the starting line.” icon_surprised.gifops:

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Quote: wrencat1873 ""smart enough not to own a smart phone" ???

Like a caveman without a chisel, a writer without a pen.
Unbelievable So, are you saying that, anyone who doesn’t have a smartphone is somehow uneducated or has lower intelligence? I don’t have a smartphone, it’s not top of my list of priorities, never has been, and I manage fine without one. icon_biggrin.gif

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